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when we played at wigan earlier in the 8's i think the crowd was given as over 11,000 but there were clearly nowhere near 11,000 in the ground.

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Quote: Marcus's Bicycle "Hull's attendance figures are misleading. They always include season tickets even if they do not attend the match. An example is the official figure for this months Huddersfield game was announced as 9,300 although Hull's owner Adam Pearson said that there were only 6,400 in the ground. It's been obvious to Hull fans for years that the announced attendance is manufactured. I suspect some other clubs may do the same thing.'"

I would be surprised if any club doesn't include non-attending season ticket holders these days.

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Quote: Marcus's Bicycle "Hull's attendance figures are misleading. They always include season tickets even if they do not attend the match. '"


Everyone does that, from sports clubs to pop concerts and festivals.
If people buy tickets but don't turn up they don't get a refund do they?

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They even do at a Wembley Stadium. Members (middle tier) are counted even though hardly any attend unless its England wendyball.

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Quote: The Changing Man "Regular season - (888's) - total (games)
Cast'frd 7,468 - (5,742)
Catalan 8,925 - (7,905)
Hudds 5,873 - (6,123)
Hull FC 11,343 - (10,271)
Leeds 15,921- (14,839)
St Helens 11,818- (11,975)
Wire 9,853 - (8,97icon_cool.gif
Wigan 13,981 - (11,622)
HKR 8,025 - (7,120)
Salford 4,167 - (3,649)
Wakey 3,989 - (3,479)
Widnes 6,234 - (5,05icon_cool.gif
Bradford 5,222 - (6,257)
Leigh 3,787 - (4,36icon_cool.gif
Halifax 1,973 - (2,739)
Sheffield 1,146 - (1,52icon_cool.gif
Fev 2,241 - (1,341)(Includes semi-final)
Dewsbury 1,462 - (832)(Includes semi-final)
Doncaster 1,215 - (785)
Batley 983 - (761)
Haven 931 - (725)
Hunslet 872 - (76icon_cool.gif
Workntn 805 - (989)
London 731 - (366)'"

Looks like your Wakefield figures include the incorrect attendance of 9k+ given out for the St Helens game (pretty difficult given the capacity is 7850!). The actual attendance was 4104 making the season average 3626 i think.

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Quote: loiner81 "So that's why we didn't have the usual attendances thread at the end of the regular rounds. Crowds were up.

Classic RLFANS.'"

Point of order.

William Eve has decided not to bother with posting his figures because other forums decided to publish them (mistakes and all) in their magazine. I posted these attendances because someone asked for them.....but now you've asked:

SL regular season attendances were down.....and the extra 10 games we've had to date have delivered around 75,000 attendees, so the seasons average has fallen even further when compared to 2014. Getting the same fans to attend more games is not a viable or sustainable business strategy....it is papering over the cracks.

I know this is hard for you to comprehend, but what we've had this year is the same fans attending more games, a drop in TV viewing figures and now what looks like a return to the heavy investment in purchased talent to gain promotion at the neglect and expense of club business and player development?

I'll get around to checking them all eventually, but St Helens had fewer fans at their 15 home games in 2015 than they did in 2014 and in the championship, Bradford Bulls were responsible for 33% of that ENTIRE divisions attendances....if they go up this weekend then the Championship averages will be decimated!

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Quote: BD "Surprised Cas even managed that. We had a ridiculous number of Thursday night games. something like 7 out of 8 Super 8 matches'"

There are only 7 Super 8s matches to begin with!

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Massive game, can't see past a Wakey win, but for SL and financial reasons I hope Bradford come back up.

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NRL crowds this year

2015 crowd table

1. Brisbane 33,595 (+241)
2. Canterbury 19,684 (+4,259)
3. South Sydney 16,613 (-3,275)
4. North Qland 16,230 (+1,617)
5. Newcastle 15,891 (-1,725)
6. Sydney Roosters 15,661 (+1,559)
7. New Zealand 14,704 (-2,427)
8. Parramatta 14,699 (-4,089)
9. St George 13,651 (-2,405)
10. Melbourne 13,453 (-1,741)
11. Cronulla 11,925 (-706)
12. Wests 11,709 (-1,395)
13. Penrith 11,544 (+49)
14. Gold Coast 11,237 (-1,957)
15. Manly 10,955 (-1,65icon_cool.gif
16. Canberra 9,629 (+21)

4 clubs improved crowds, 10 clubs crowds reduced, 2 stayed about same.

Sourcehttp://afltables.com/rl/crowds/2015.htmlrl

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Ive been logging the attendances all year of all 3 top divisions and in my mind the one that is the most important is the total average, which, including super 8s, was pretty much bang on 10,000 I think it was 9,997 if I worked it out right. This is significantly higher than last year which was about 1,000 less than that.

When you think as well that we had 24,000 at wigan/saints, 20,000 at hull derby, 40,000 at magic weekend and all the great Leigh and Bradford turnouts in championship, plus that 4,000 at Keighley than I think there should be optimism in the RL family this year.

This is all assuming the figures i got were correct of course =)

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How many sell outs did Big Nige and his chum Blake predict as a KPI measure of success for 2015? How many was there??

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Quote: yorksguy1865 "Ive been logging the attendances all year of all 3 top divisions and in my mind the one that is the most important is the total average, which, including super 8s, was pretty much bang on 10,000 I think it was 9,997 if I worked it out right. This is significantly higher than last year which was about 1,000 less than that.
When you think as well that we had 24,000 at wigan/saints, 20,000 at hull derby, 40,000 at magic weekend and all the great Leigh and Bradford turnouts in championship, plus that 4,000 at Keighley than I think there should be optimism in the RL family this year.

This is all assuming the figures i got were correct of course

1. You've taken the top 8's season and compared it to the 14 team SL last year? Why not just compare it to a fish tank....it'd be as relevant!
2. So neither Wigan Saints or the Hull Derby sold out....and we didn't get the targeted 10 sell outs this year either.
3. Bradford were responsible for 33% of the entire championship crowds.....that's not good. Leigh 21%....not ideal either.

I'm all for massaging figures to suit, but the reality is like for like the regular SL season was down 1% on 2014 and the 11 extra games so far have brought in 80,000 fans...same fans mind you, not new ones.

1. 2015 Regular SL season average 8,920. This is against 9,006 for the corresponding 22 H/A fixtures in 2014....1% DOWN.
2. 2015 Super 8 fixtures average 9,896 which is 8% DOWN against regular season comparable fixtures
3. 2015 Middle 8 SL team attendances 14% DOWN against Regular season Attendances
4. 2015 Bottom 8 attendances 15% DOWN against regular season comparable fixtures
5. 2015 Middle 8 Champ teams attendances UP 18% against regular season attendances but 6% DOWN against comparable games v championship sides.


All the new system does is remove lower attended teams from SL, dropping them into higher level Champ teams and increases that average....whilst like for like attendances in comparable games are down across the board. It's a clever trick, but ultimately all they've done is get 80,000 of our existing fans to attend an extra game or two of the 12 new fixtures.

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Quote: The Changing Man "
2. So neither Wigan Saints or the Hull Derby sold out....and we didn't get the targeted 10 sell outs this year either. '"


Wigan v Saints on Good Friday sold out - 24,054

www.wiganwarriors.com/match/report/229274
Quote: The Changing Man "
2. So neither Wigan Saints or the Hull Derby sold out....and we didn't get the targeted 10 sell outs this year either. '"


Wigan v Saints on Good Friday sold out - 24,054

www.wiganwarriors.com/match/report/229274


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Quote: MattyB "Wigan v Saints on Good Friday sold out - 24,054

Phew.......that's Blakes job safe then icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: yorksguy1865 "I think there should be optimism in the RL family this year.
'"


Are you new to the RL family? Get back to predicting the death of RL just like the majority of RL fans for the last 100 years icon_lol.gif

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