OH and as I type we've got Carney and Wells adamant that ML should have been red carded and sent off!

Thats why they are pundits and not refs

But they're right and so am I!

In my opinion it was a shocker, There is blatant contact to the head and he should have seen red. No less intention than Moon and Walmsley for me. He has gone straight through him shoulder first. Got to walk imo.

It was very similar to Walmsley IMO. It was NOT a shoulder charge, although there was contact with the head by the shoulder. He went to tackle him, got the angle of collision wrong, and made a careless high tackle.

We need to avoid being led up the garden path by SKY pundits on this issue of shoulder charges. All good tackles involve shoulders as well as arms. It's both desirable and legal. Occasionally arms and/or shoulders make contact with heads. Those are high tackles, not shoulder charges. A shoulder charge involves turning sideways on and making no attempt to use the arms as well as the shoulder. At the moment, some of the more excitable SKY commentary seems to be redefining shoulder charges as any high contact with the shoulder.

Apply to be a ref then, Russel ducked into the tackle trying to regain the ball, not much Leuleia could do about it

I've got zero inclination to become a referee but that doesn't stop me being correct. As I said, MR stooping down is a mitigating factor but the weight of responsibility is on the defender to avoid contact with the head of the attacking player.

You're correct- it was a foul. But a high tackle. The shoulder is irrelevant.

You're correct- it was a foul. But a high tackle. The shoulder is irrelevant.

I agree, I'm not in any way suggesting a shoulder charge, merely using the shoulder because that's the part of MLs body which contacts MRs head

Suspected Broken Jaw
Broken Nose
Teeth knocked out

but hey, he'd already knocked on so its OK

Foul play used to override technical infringements.

not bad considering there was no contact with the head according to Thaler.

His injuries are irrelivant to whether it was foul play

To be fair to thalet he asked the vid refs opinion and even at slow motion they couldnt see a head tackle!! Then again they also did see a widnes arm that didnt exist for the second try even after looking half a dozen times. Ganson is great at vid ref aint he