Is this the same ref/touch judge that said Paul Deacon knocked on off his face?

Or did he say Tomkins was accidentally offside

Wouldn't you have had a penalty if this was the case? I'm sure it was a scrum, with a Saints head and feed?

No it was a scrum + S Tomkins was behind Deacon anyway.

Don't hear you complaining about that.

And to be fair that is only debatable call in the whole game you can pick on. It didn't cause us to score either as it happened in the middle of the field.

The pass you scored your first try off was just ridiculous. You saw it at the time, all your players did, your coach even apparently called it forward at the time on sky. If it were borderline I wouldn't have minded, but when it comes out at an angle like that and is so blatantly forward it's frustrating.

It's about time the RFL invest in some competent officials to run the lines. Instead of a group of geeks who are doing the job because they are the only people to put their hand up to do it, they should have a group of professional officials doing the job properly.

Dunno, I'm not paid to referee SL matches. I've always had accidental offside down as a scrum, but I might be wrong. Maybe there is a bit of small print in the rules about it hitting pink head guards as well?

There is no debate about this what so ever. The same goes for Wigans forward pass. The play from the scrum led to you first try to get back in the game, you wouldn't have been in that situation without the ludicrous call made by the ref.

So lets straighten this out, you're not ed off at the officials for being poor, you're ed off because they called it against St Helens.

It always annoys you a bit more when it's against you. But the standard of officiating in SL is at an all time low and doesn't do the sport justice. It's time things changed.

It quite funny how the one-eye fans spit the dummy big time when a call goes against them.(Just check your original post

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But yes you're right about the officiating, abysmal.

the only time forward passes will be penalised more often in rl is when the nrl(we always follow suit) outlaw the flat pass and the momentum rule. at full speed the officials have a hard time judging forward passes if flat passes n the momentum rule is taken into consideration.and do we really want a video ref decision every time a pass is possibly forward,as that is the only surefire way to get them all

It's not about getting them all, it's about employing officials that can call on the obvious. If players are moving at full speed after a break, the ref is running flat out to keep up and the pass is quick and short no one minds that kind of mistake. But when the referee is perfectly positioned, the touch judge in line with the pass and the pass is a relatively slow pass from a player stood on a line which gives a perfect judge of direction and you see it leave his hands diagonally towards the oppoistion line you expect them to notice.

It's those kind of moments where the Video Referee (Without those watching knowing if needs be) says "Hang about, miles forward Woody, give it forward". Or even a guy sat in the stands with a radio.

That or bring in an appeal system cricket stylee. No video referee and up to three referalls per game, as per cricket being used up if unsuccessful. They say they cannot use the video for forward passes because of angles and the like, but that is rubbish. They can do it, they just haven't bothered yet. I could invent the required tech in seconds, just throw a GPS into the ball. If it records a forward motion from the hands, it explodes once it hits the hands of the receiving player. Job done and it makes it more spectacular for Sky, which they would be delighted with.

Your personal outstanding efforts to do this would be appreciated by the RFL