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| Quote: Gavin Miller - Legend "Nobody other then you seems to care Sad Act.'"
You seem to care enough to post a nonsensical sentence which I assume you mean as an insult.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "
Not wishing to criticise anyone here but surely calling another forum member 'sad act' breaches some part of the AUP?
And when the person doing the calling is a forum moderator too.....
Hmmmmm
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| not a sad act Barry, but a Sad Act.
Those darn capital letters really get to me.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "not a sad act Barry, but a Sad Act.
Those darn capital letters really get to me.'"
Shouting is sooooo rude isn't it
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "You have missed a little out, because the club specific exemption was superseded by the universal exemption. This is where Hull KR were still receiving the benefit of the exemption.
Had they not been in receipt of the club specific exemption, they would have had fewer players eligible for the universal exemption.'"
So the "club specific" exemption has been superseded? Doesn't that bring us back to my original point that the "dispensation" as it is now is awarded to the players and not the clubs?
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| Quote: Barnacle Bill "So the "club specific" exemption has been superseded? Doesn't that bring us back to my original point that the "dispensation" as it is now is awarded to the players and not the clubs?'"
There isnt any 'dispensation' now. There was a 'dispensation' for rovers which meant when the new rules were brought in, then amended, rovers benefited because of their dispensation, and still continue to do so.
Had rovers not received the dispensation they wouldnt be allowed to have the amount of overseas players they have now, this season.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "There isnt any 'dispensation' now. There was a 'dispensation' for rovers which meant when the new rules were brought in, then amended, rovers benefited because of their dispensation, and still continue to do so.
Had rovers not received the dispensation they wouldnt be allowed to have the amount of overseas players they have now, this season.'"
How many less would they have?
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| at the very least 1, maybe 3.
However my point wasnt that the exemption led us to this point, simply that HKA did receive and are still benefiting from their dispensation
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "what would be the point of looking at it any other way? HKA's attempts at circumventing the quota dont justify or mitigate it.'"
Because we were looking the long-term impact of a particular issue, it only makes sense to discuss it in terms of how the rules are/were and how they changed.
My contention is that the club-specific dispensations ongoing effect is limited the presence of Lovegrove in the squad.
The rest of the fed-qualified Aussies are down to the universal 2008 and EU passport rules that we have benefitted from through 'luck' in the way the comp-wide rules have developed. Vella, Fisher, Newton, Galea - basically it's just we lucked out when we signed them. The outcome is the same, but the story of how we got here that is been spun on here is misleading IMO.
Quote: SmokeyTA "Not wishing to criticise anyone here but surely calling another forum member 'sad act' breaches some part of the AUP?
And when the person doing the calling is a forum moderator too.....
Hmmmmm'"
In defence of Smokey - he is always polite. In defence of GML, Smokey spent a lot of time politely trolling on the Hull KR forum until about a year ago. I guess I've kind of missed him.
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| Quote: Gavin Miller - Legend "Nobody other then you seems to care '"
I do
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| Quote: gutterfax "I do
so this is purely a hull kingston rovers thing is it?? I'm sure last time I looked salford have 10 foreigners on their books for 2011 and wakefield who everybody is applauding for signing young british lads have 9 foreigners playing for them next year with another 1 to come. I guess you're not bothered about them though as you don't think they'll do very well?????
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "at the very least 1, maybe 3.
However my point wasnt that the exemption led us to this point, simply that HKA did receive and are still benefiting from their dispensation'"
So you would agree then that the superseding of the "club specific" dispensation with the "player specific" rules as they are now does in fact mean I was right, the "dispensation" or however you want to phrase it applies to the player and not the club.
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| Quote: sandy "so this is purely a hull kingston rovers thing is it?? '"
Nothing gets past you does it
Actually, it's more a roofs thing....he has often said that in principle that FulhamcrusaderbroncoQuins RL should be ejected from Superleague on principle so I was just pointing out, no matter how HKA circumnavigate the rules that they are not applying the quota as it seen on Principle.
Joking aside, your stadium isn't that bad and will gradually get better once you hit the 10,000 fans your CEO/Chair has stated are needed. Your youth set up will start to produce players in time (something we london fans never got but always said was needed BTW) and financially, once you get to 10,000 you will be in a much stronger position than you are now. Even the missile throwing section of your crowd are accepted as a few mindless idiots who do not reflect the true nature of your core supporters.....but none of this changes the fact that the RFL wanted teams to cut back on overseas players and HKA are one of a few teams who are actually ignoring this. Ergo...this 900+ post thread....which if I am honest, should also include posts about the other offending clubs.
Still, if HKA, Salford, Wakey and all the other teams don't sort out their quota, I am sure it will get a mention when they are allocated their next 3 years in the summer.......it realy isn't right that these teams will field more overseas players than English.
BY THE WAY....."roofs"...I like the new 2011 season HKA Jumpers
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Because we were looking the long-term impact of a particular issue, it only makes sense to discuss it in terms of how the rules are/were and how they changed.
My contention is that the club-specific dispensations ongoing effect is limited the presence of Lovegrove in the squad.
The rest of the fed-qualified Aussies are down to the universal 2008 and EU passport rules that we have benefitted from through 'luck' in the way the comp-wide rules have developed. Vella, Fisher, Newton, Galea - basically it's just we lucked out when we signed them. The outcome is the same, but the story of how we got here that is been spun on here is misleading IMO.
.'" The story of how you got here, frankly is irrelevant. The fact is we are here, now, and its a pretty p1sspoor position.
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| Quote: Barnacle Bill "So you would agree then that the superseding of the "club specific" dispensation with the "player specific" rules as they are now does in fact mean I was right, the "dispensation" or however you want to phrase it applies to the player and not the club.'"
No, some players are exempt. Some clubs got a dispensation. If you are still benefiting from the dispensation then you still have the dispensation.
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