Starbug admits his brother is Gutterfax!

They have done it from game one in this series without an eyelid being batted. The quite often late flops (or was it just laying on) have been ignored as well. Pity the other teams don't learn how to play the edge like that. At least we didn't have the Aussies meeting the refs to discuss the interpretation of the rules, or does that just not get reported nowadays. We did have own refs though.

However, one of the best tournaments in years (4 nations) with pretty close and exciting games till the end (regardless of results). An absolutely cracking final with an Aussie side that got themselves to within a hairs breath of taking it.

Got to say an excellent advert for the game internationally and everything that is good about it, but will probably be ignored here. Can't have anything interfere with the corporate snore fest.

Nah....his brother resides in upper hutt. I live in tbe more salubrious surrounds of Korokoro, with views over the harbour to Wellington and the stadium......

Anderson grove Lower Hutt to be precise

Although he spends more time in ' Bedrocks ' than home

In summary, they said that Inglis was probably player of the tournament until that point, but that try swung it in Johnson's favour.

I have to say that the touch judge (Australian?) showed some do-dahs on that last play with the forward pass. I played it back and it wasn't obvious, although the call not obviously wrong, but the picture posted earlier suggests that had it gone to the video ref, it would have been a try.

What a tournament! The games were belters!

It wasn't an excellent advert for the game at all. It was more specifically an excellent advert for international RL. Unfortunately, that will be ignored by the game and the RL community as they quickly retreat back to focusing upon their respective domestic competitions and parochial one club interests.

The reason international RL is largely ignored by the rest of the outside world is because the game of RL treats its internationals as an off-season irrelevance or afterthought which plays a second fiddle role to domestic competitions like Super League, the NRL and Origin. Therefore, the fault lies with the game itself.

Blaming Rugby Union, the BBC, the national media, etc, for international RL's lack of exposure is looney tunes Moonie logic. They are not responsible for how RL governs itself, how it structures its international competitions and the level of importance it applies to them which, in the grand scheme of things, amounts to approximately naff all.

You must have another mass wedding to attend to shortly?

It has been an excellent tournament and with Somoa showing they can challenge some of the established sides it gives some hope for the future. Having Scotland in the next 4 Nations is a joke.

We still go back to the lack of credible teams when the sport is only played in 4/5 countries one of which is pretty dominant. Clubs are businesses the need their team to perform to keep the cash coming in. International RL has shown that apart from a few high points it struggles to attract crowds of any serious size. In cricket and RU the games relies on the international game for funding, if RL did that it would be bust. Without the clubs and the monies they invest in players you would not have an international game. If you take a different sport - cricket - Yorkshire commit time and money to the likes of Joe Root who will now only play for them when the ECB say so. Is that what you want - a dominant international game that pulls all the strings? It is no wonder there is zero interest in county cricket when its best players are excluded.

With all due respect Sal, you appear to have completely missed the point entirely.

One of the Moonies was having a whinge about this 4N tournament being ignored and in typical Moonie fashion laid the blame on outside influences, when in fact the reason why international RL is ignored is because the game itself affords it next to no credibility.

If the game itself treats international RL with such utter contempt, why should anyone else outside of the game be bothered with it?

RL doesn't treat the international game with contempt. It is realistic about its impact, there are 3/4 competitive sides why would you disrupt the regular season? What are you suggesting? a return to proper tours, so you would need to return to winter rugby or a 4 nations in the middle of the summer here where club rugby closes down for 6 weeks?

Ideally int rl would be big enpugh to pay for SL and NRL seasons to be 20 rounds freeing up oct and nov for internationals, but it isn't. Bit of a chicken and egg sadly.

There is no excuse for not having a properly laid out international calendar for the next 5 years though. The Aussies pulling out of the ashes tour is farcical. They should suffer a punishment for it.

We got Voss here in NZ and, yes, Ray Warren together with Andrew Johns and Wally Lewis did the Channel 9 commentary.

,top place Bedrocks

Back on topic (to be candid, where guttersnipe lives should be of no interest to anyone other than detectives from the Wellington police):

Has anyone seen a better individual half back try than Shaun Johnson's yesterday? The Little Master beat Daly Cherry-Evans with a dummy and acceleration, and then beat one of the best players in the world, Gregory Inglis, with a side step and scorching speed.