The attendances at RL games have for years been affected by the level of club "loyalty" some fans have and the desire for other club fans to watch a higher grade of sport.

It's a free country and if someone wants to buy into a Superleague season with Leigh that's their choice, if they don't want to watch second tier Rugby league that is also their choice. If we ran Leigh it would be a thank you very much to anyone who crossed our palms with silver to enter LSV. If a Leigh fan went missing for a season in the championship and then came back for SL and placed £20 in your hand to watch a game would you really say [i"you can stick it good time Charlie keep your money"[/i

The other nonsense always dredged up is about "away fans" where clubs as businesses are not supposed to count these fans as relevant. I wonder when clubs are going to start banning away fans and maybe neutrals too??

What you missed in the post we are talking about Ste is the posters usual attack on Leigh fans to wind them up.......You will also find this posted on another thread

"My opinion is that the current Leigh squad is the worst in SL history"........... when clearly it is not.

So to summarise Leigh get promoted and out comes the [i"rubbish team and rubbish fans"[/i nonsense. The reality is Leigh are a Great club, great owner, great history, great ground, great fans.....

Well go ask Bradford why they are no longer getting 10k+

I've heard some say that when we hit the bad times we all went back to watching Halifax and Huddersfield. Its apparently where most of the fans were poached from. It would explain why our gates dropped at the same time there's swelled back to epic proportions.

I actually think Bradford Bulls did remarkably well for fan attendance given the troubles that besieged the club !

Bradford probably peaked at 15,259 in 2003. Huddersfield crowds at the time didn't show a significant drop but actually a small rise....

Halifax's crowds dropped that year not because their fans went to Bradford, but because after winning the first game when the fans had bought their season tickets , Halifax collapsed and did not win another game and were relegated. If they had charged off to Bradford then Bulls attendances would have gone further up but they went down 2004.

At that time Bulls were pretty red hot at marketing and IIRC they had a season ticket bus and that went all over targetting anyone interested anywhere. It did quite well in Batley and Dewsbury, The Batley chairman complained bitterly. I remember talking to my dentist about Rugby 20 miles away from Bradford. He had come down from Workington and wanted to watch Superleague and Bulls had the attraction.

If anything SL clubs probably attracted championship fans who wanted to watch the Professional game.

You are in a time capsule. You are clearly brainwashed with expansion. You are still looking to blame others for Toronto failing.

Yes,the only club that had fairweather fans! All of them! Would never have worked and the Aces will end up down the same route. Unless they create their own League.

Up the Comics..

Care to offer something constructive and non personal?

TWP only existed as long as £10 Million a year was being pumped in, money Ottawa Aces don't have. They have no money as no owners showed up at their launch.

Fans are fans, and fans were never the point. Again the point was of TWP, for them to stimulate investment, player development and TV deals these are the three things that did not work

Posters are welcome to show that these things did work.....

Don't you ever get bored?

How was a club that was around for three years be expected to achieve these things. Some UK clubs fail to do so after how many decades?

The club doesn't even operate anymore yet you bring them up daily, go take the dog for a walk.

The expectation came from Eric Perez. I have urged you to research just what he promised the game here. It's all on record, but people ignore it if it doesn't suit them.

Once again he promised SL quality North American Players "Pretty quickly" through converting grid iron players. His plan was to make those trials and conversions into a sports TV show to sell to NATV.

He achieved neither, then four years later Brian McDernott was pressed on where the player development was as it hadn't even been set up and he admitted there was none. He was asked about paying TV deals and again he said they had tried and there was no interest.

Mate, I would not raise these things time and again if other posters didn't raise the issue of "expansion" time and again in which they think removing English clubs from SL and replacing them with Canadian and French clubs is somehow "expansion". It's just not is it??

Do you think he doesn't know this already?

You do know TSH is now laughing because he gotcha.