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| Quote red_death="red_death"
RL existed long before Super League!'"
May as well talk to the wall, a lot on here have no clue about pre SL.
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| It is a sad day when a club like Widnes has to go into administration. I for one hope James Rule never gets his mits on a rugby league, or any business for that matter, again.
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| I believe O'Hara was the administrator for Trinity, he sold our best players at the time.
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| Quote Khlav Kalash="Khlav Kalash"I believe O'Hara was the administrator for Trinity, he sold our best players at the time.'"
He’s talked a lot about this being an option already, the same will happen.
And as for whoever’s comment about teams like us playing in front of a man and his dog, twice we were bottom of the league and twice we brought 2500-3000 fans all the way up to Newcastle. I’d like to think we brought something to superleague, even if it was a good away support every now and then.
We’ll bounce back, I couldn’t imagine Widnes without a main rugby league team.
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| Quote Willzay="Willzay"It is a sad day when a club like Widnes has to go into administration. I for one hope James Rule never gets his mits on a rugby league, or any business for that matter, again.'"
He made a speech as well when he left about how he’s left the club in a good position and signed a good squad to compete in the championship
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| Quote Khlav Kalash="Khlav Kalash"I believe O'Hara was the administrator for Trinity, he sold our best players at the time.'"
In fairness KK, and administrator has to keep the business going by whatever means they can.
They will cover their costs no matter what and if that means selling players, so be it- they dont actually have much choice, unless there are other assets within the business that they can sell to raise money for running costs (including their own charges).
If you remember it was Mick Carter that was selling "a player a week" to get us through to the start of the next season, which was done with loanees and cast offs, plus a couple of players, including Kirmond, who was at the top of his game.
Once the dust settles and assuming that there is someone willing to step in, you would expect Wire and Saints to help with a few players.
I still wonder whether Koucash & co knew about this when they were talking about starting a club in Liverpool (and yes, I know that Widnes isn't in Liverpool but), there is a slight whiff with the timing of all of this.
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"In fairness KK, and administrator has to keep the business going by whatever means they can.
They will cover their costs no matter what and if that means selling players, so be it- they dont actually have much choice, unless there are other assets within the business that they can sell to raise money for running costs (including their own charges).
If you remember it was Mick Carter that was selling "a player a week" to get us through to the start of the next season, which was done with loanees and cast offs, plus a couple of players, including Kirmond, who was at the top of his game.
Once the dust settles and assuming that there is someone willing to step in, you would expect Wire and Saints to help with a few players.
I still wonder whether Koucash & co knew about this when they were talking about starting a club in Liverpool (and yes, I know that Widnes isn't in Liverpool but), there is a slight whiff with the timing of all of this.'"
Koukash and Luke Backhouse held talks recently about a takeover, only when they saw the amount of debt, they backed out.
Now might be the perfect time for them to swoop now eeee gone into administration. Granada reports suggest £250k would be the minimum number for someone to take over with. This is now far healthier than the price of the real debt (pre administration), in the region of £800,000
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| Quote wrencat1873="wrencat1873"In fairness KK, and administrator has to keep the business going by whatever means they can.
They will cover their costs no matter what and if that means selling players, so be it- they dont actually have much choice, unless there are other assets within the business that they can sell to raise money for running costs (including their own charges).
If you remember it was Mick Carter that was selling "a player a week" to get us through to the start of the next season, which was done with loanees and cast offs, plus a couple of players, including Kirmond, who was at the top of his game.
Once the dust settles and assuming that there is someone willing to step in, you would expect Wire and Saints to help with a few players.
I still wonder whether Koucash & co knew about this when they were talking about starting a club in Liverpool (and yes, I know that Widnes isn't in Liverpool but), there is a slight whiff with the timing of all of this.'" I think Koucash knew about this from day 1 and he's just sat back to see what unfolds now, he may still put a bid in but if the players drop out that will surely sink any deal that he may want to offer, looks like a poker game between the administration and Koucash who will show their cards first
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| I watched the Sky match last night. Did not hear one mention of the Widnes situation . Nothing outside the top tier seems to matter to them. Perhaps the Vikings are the first major casualty of the new structure. And perhaps there are a few existing SL clubs who might go the same way if they were to be relegated this season.
Last week’s Observer had a superb full page article on the rebirth of the Cougars. A better advert about the community values of Rugby League than anything produced by the RL authorities with some great quotes .
And the incentive for any prospective new owners of Widnes and the actual new owners of Keighley? A 12 point deduction.
I despair
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| Quote Bullnorthern="Bullnorthern"I watched the Sky match last night. Did not hear one mention of the Widnes situation . Nothing outside the top tier seems to matter to them. Perhaps the Vikings are the first major casualty of the new structure. And perhaps there are a few existing SL clubs who might go the same way if they were to be relegated this season.
Last week’s Observer had a superb full page article on the rebirth of the Cougars. A better advert about the community values of Rugby League than anything produced by the RL authorities with some great quotes .
And the incentive for any prospective new owners of Widnes and the actual new owners of Keighley? A 12 point deduction.
I despair'"
They definitely discussed it, but I think it was during the build up to Thursday night's game.
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| Quote Him="Him"Widnes benefitted massively from licensing. It gave them the opportunity to build steadily and get their youth systems going without having to worry about the immediate threat of relegation.
The middle 8’s were done away with because they dragged too many clubs into a relegation fight. Leeds being a perfect example last year. Leeds were making short term decisions and signings to try and safeguard against the disaster of being relegated instead of putting that money to better use for medium and long term growth. Leeds is big and healthy enough financially they can withstand that. Most RL clubs would be seriously affected by it.
You’re going to get clubs who are daft and overspend. In my opinion licensing significantly reduced the need for that and so provided much needed stability and surety for clubs to grow. P&R doesn’t provide that, however is better than the middle 8’s as it only drags 1,2 or 3 clubs into a relegation fight rather than 4, 5 or 6.'"
Nice theory but the events of that period would suggest that it didn't actually have much effect on preventing clubs overspending.
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| Quote Mr Dog="Mr Dog"Nice theory but the events of that period would suggest that it didn't actually have much effect on preventing clubs overspending.'"
I’d say it did for Widnes. Their youth production and club in general was far better in that period than either before or after.
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