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| Quote: Kosh "I was against the new structure right from the start and I'd prefer we had something else. But the whining about massive unfairness and won't somebody think of the poor players is, frankly, pathetic. It's sport. Sport isn't fair. The system we have is unnecessarily gimmicky but no more inherently unfair than any other. And the RL players whining about livelihoods and mental health maybe ought to take a look at what happens to ordinary hard-working families every day of the week.'"
The "mental" aspect is massively increased by having an all or nothing game every season, is it really necessary ??
Most clubs (and their supporters) are able to accept finishing last and being relegated but, the new structure doesn't do that.
It heaps all the pressure on 80 minutes of "sport" and great as this may be for the neutral or armchair viewer, it's very, very harsh on the players and staff.
Although clubs can and must make plans for winning or losing the MPG, can you imagine going into work on a particular day, not knowing if you have a job at the end of the day.
The only thing close in the real world is when companies announce that there are going to be a number of redundancies but dont tell staff until Friday afternoon.
The main point here is that t (the MPG) is just not needed to decide the weakest club in SL although we would then have to go with 1 up 1 down and most SL Chairman, are probably "happy" to have one last chance but, it's still very harsh for everyone else.
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44920_1327005775.png [quote="Harrigan":1th0f7ap]Wigan are the most structured team I have ever seen in this country.[/quote:1th0f7ap]
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "There is a massive difference in being the bottom club and getting relegated, compared to having an all or nothing game.
Emotions are sure to be running high and there is massive tension in the build up and all through the game, especially if it's close.
If it had been a blow out score, there wouldn't have been the same kind of scenes at the end.
The new structure has contrived this fixture and ramped up the pressure on all concerned, is it really necessary ?
If we must have this crazy structure then ,perhaps the top 4 of the Middle 8 should go straight into SL and the bottom 4 into The Championship.
There seemed to be inadequate stewarding in Hull yesterday and lessons need to be learne.'"
You've completely ignored the point I made.
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44920_1327005775.png [quote="Harrigan":1th0f7ap]Wigan are the most structured team I have ever seen in this country.[/quote:1th0f7ap]
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| Quote: j.c "Leave the qualifiers alone they're working a treat.
What's needed is more work on the top 8s to make them more exciting at the beginning, question is how do you do that without playing about with the points each team starts with?'"
You do it by having more competitive teams. Hopefully Leeds and Huddersfield in the mix next year. The tighter the table, the more every match matters.
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| If the points are carried forward to the super 8's is it fair teams that teams who finish with more points in the regular season can't have a points advantage in the middle 8's. Why not handicap teams that finish 11th and 12th and 3rd and 4th in the championship with a -2 points deduction in the middle 8's. There just isn't any consistency between the formats with one slate being cleared and the other not. To take it a stage further why not give the top 4 a 2 point advantage over teams 5-8 to keep the super 8's more interesting for longer?
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| Quote: TheElectricGlidingWarrior "You've completely ignored the point I made.
And you try to say that the final game that "seals" relegation is akin to the fete of the loser of the MPG.
Unless it happens to be the last game of the season against the other club(s) in the mix, there is no comparison.
Mind you, clubs could always bust the salary cap and have players playing for "free" to avoid such a fete
There is absolutely no comparison in being mathematically "relegated" part way through the season when measured against the jeopardy of the MPG.
My club have been in 2 of these games and come out on top on both occasions but, I wouldn't wish the game on anyone.
When a club has been isolated in bottom spot (or a relegation place) in the run up to the end of the season, it's far easier for everyone to accept and clubs, players and fans can "get used to the idea" and make plans accordingly.
The current system may provide an entertaining finale to the promotion/ relegation issue but, it's unnecessarily brutal
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| Quote: Him "I have sympathy with the players, I have a lot more sympathy with the admin/backroom staff who may well be losing their jobs without the option of another club to go to.
But we can't have it all ways. Many players, coaches, club officials complained at licensing for being a closed shop. Well this is the alternative.
The fact that it's a one-off game is a red herring. That's irrelevant. The issue is relegation itself, not the manner of relegation. Would it really make any difference to Hull KR had they lost all their games and been condemned to relegation 3 weeks ago? Not at all.
Hull KR had 30 rounds of SL in which to avoid this situation, they didn't. The only people to blame for that are the players, coaches and officials at Hull KR.'"
Spot on. The had a home game vs Leeds final week of the regular season to get up to 9th spot and on paper a better fixture list for the Middle 8's....they lost. The had home games vs Leigh and Hudds, just one win would've been enough....they lost both. They had home advantage vs Salford in the MPG.....they lost.
4 winnable home fixtures to save themselves and they failed every time. The system is being called harsh because players could lose jobs but it presented them with numerous do-able chances to avoid it.
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| Top 4 of middle 8s are in SL the following year bottom 4 aren't no need for million pound game.
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| Quote: M62 J30 TRINITY "Top 4 of middle 8s are in SL the following year bottom 4 aren't no need for million pound game.'"
It still doesn't resolve the disparity between the super 8's and middle 8's formats.
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| Quote: M62 J30 TRINITY "Top 4 of middle 8s are in SL the following year bottom 4 aren't no need for million pound game.'"
Best post yet. The MPG might provide great sporting moments but it's unnecessary and celebrates mediocrity. Well, not even mediocrity - Salford fans were, rightly, celebrating but celebrating what? Not promotion, not winning a trophy just being slightly less crap than some other teams. Scrap it.
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| All clubs know at the start of the season that they have 30 games to avoid the MPG and therefore, a potential relegation, every team in super league knew this, and won enough games to avoid it, One team didn't! not fair? but neither is life.
As others have said, it's sport, Hull KR knew the deal before a ball was kicked in february.
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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection."
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| Quote: Kevs Head "Best post yet. The MPG might provide great sporting moments but it's unnecessary and celebrates mediocrity. Well, not even mediocrity - Salford fans were, rightly, celebrating but celebrating what? Not promotion, not winning a trophy just being slightly less crap than some other teams. Scrap it.'"
You see teams in football celebrate avoiding the drop on the final day all the time, it's actually provided some of their most talked about moments in fact.
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| Quote: theredshed "If the points are carried forward to the super 8's is it fair teams that teams who finish with more points in the regular season can't have a points advantage in the middle 8's. Why not handicap teams that finish 11th and 12th and 3rd and 4th in the championship with a -2 points deduction in the middle 8's. There just isn't any consistency between the formats with one slate being cleared and the other not. To take it a stage further why not give the top 4 a 2 point advantage over teams 5-8 to keep the super 8's more interesting for longer?'"
Because it wouldn't be rewarding the likes of Hull who did so well to be top after 23 Rounds to just turn around and say you're now only 2 points ahead of Widnes and Wakey. Would be going backwards in rendering the opening 23 rounds meaningless and teams guaranteed a top 4 spot by Round 17/18 can just sit back for several rounds. Teams will start resting players thinking they'd rather have a fresh team and accept a mere 2 points to make up. It's up to those teams in 6th/7th/8th to make sure they aren't out of reach of the top 4 come 23 rounds, it's what Hull did differently from last year and they kept their foot down even when it was obvious they had a top 4 spot.
As for the middle 8's it's obvious why points can't carry over as you can't start with Leigh on 40 odd points and HKR on 14. The advantages given out are in the form of extra home games and facing your trickier opponents at home rather than away. Leeds and Hudds unexpected involvement in the Middle 8's mixed that up a bit this year but the format/reward for what fixtures you get in the 8's is fine.
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| Quote: Kevs Head "Best post yet. The MPG might provide great sporting moments but it's unnecessary and celebrates mediocrity. Well, not even mediocrity - Salford fans were, rightly, celebrating but celebrating what? Not promotion, not winning a trophy just being slightly less crap than some other teams. Scrap it.'"
It's not as bad as the 'Championship Shield' and seeing Bradford celebrating that yesterday. My word.
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| Well, my team continue to break records. Recently we've had....
First team to get nilled at Wembley by the largest margin.
First team to go undefeated in their respective Super 8s league (last year).
First SL club to be relegated via the Super 8s format.
I love my club but there are times.....
You Wigan, Saints etc supporters don't realise how easy you've got it supporting your clubs.
Anyway, onwards and back upwards. (hopefully)
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| We may not have voted for the current system but we knew what could happen. We were the worst team over the course of 27 games and deserve everything we got. The supporters knew after 6 or 7 games that we were in trouble and we needed to strengthen but we decided to stick with what we had to get us out of the mess. It didn't work and now we are relegated. Personally I can see another 10 years plus absence from SL as I don't believe any team is going to be as poor next year as some of the SL sides in the qualifiers this year.
On a side note, I can see a big dip in the SL crowds for next year unless Leigh can start averaging 7-8 per game to make up the drop from us being relegated. It also means I can cancel my Skysports subscription as we will only get maybe 1 game next year if we finish in the top 4 of the championship.
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