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| Quote Derwent="Derwent"I totally agree but its been made clear by people like McManus that the big clubs in SL would like Bradford to remain in SL for purely commercial reasons. Unfortunately in this day and age the commercial aspect will override the moral aspect, which is why I think they will be allowed to retain SL status.
The RFL, on the other hand, have to be seen to do [isomething[/i and if SL status is retained then the only real punishment open to them is a downgrading of licence.'"
I dont get the need for this 'punishment', what is this symbolic bloodletting actually achieving?
The people who caused bradfords problems are long gone, those responsible arent involved and any punishment of the Bulls now isnt going to be a deterrent to people making those same decisions because they arent the ones who are being punished.
In reality all we are doing is punishing someone who has rescued an RL club for the actions of the people who caused it to be in need of rescue
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Twas always thus and it always will be.
It was the same under P+R
Except it isnt withering is it. More people are going to watch it. Clubs who didnt qualify for the playoffs before are qualifying now, your chicken licken impression is simply nonsense.'"
Sorry I hadnt noticed the huge crowds Salford,Cas,London and Widnes are pulling in, as there are now more play off places than previous, I would expect more clubs to qualify
You are getting mixed up with ' finger lickin Chicken ' , you are Nigel Wood and I claim my 5 quid
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"
. Clubs who didnt qualify for the playoffs before are qualifying now, your chicken licken impression is simply nonsense.'"
The increase in the number of teams that are qualifying to play in the playoffs is due to the increase in the number of playoff places.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"They are at risk now, as they should be.
The only reason people are cynical about Bradford being demoted is because of the quality of competitors to take their place.
If there was a club capable of having what Bradford have now, in the lower leagues, Bradford would be demoted. What saves them is that most clubs in the lower leagues are, right now, totally unsuitable for SL, in the same way Bradford would be unsuitable for the lower leagues. Not better, not worse just different.'"
Either the gross missmanagent that Bradford have committed deserves demotion, or it doesnt, there is as you point out no club in the Championships that can get to anywhere near what Bradford have, you know that, I know that, every single fan at every club knows that, even the Red Hall cat probably knows that, so why do the idiots in charge not know that, and if they do, what in gods name do they expect to find out any differently by having a ' mini licence application ' ?
Once again Mr Wood and Mr Rimmer, grow some balls and do the jobs you are being well paid to do, make a simple decision instead of passing the buck
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Is he? Are the Wakey fans paying the full price for their ST s, or is he trying the Bradford/Huddersfield method?
Maybe he as littlerich has pointed out just still got money to put in to cover losses?'"
Except for the fact that he made clear at a recent fans forum that the club had made a modest operating profit under his stewardship. An inconvenient truth maybe, but the truth nonetheless.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"I dont get the need for this 'punishment', what is this symbolic bloodletting actually achieving?
The people who caused bradfords problems are long gone, those responsible arent involved and any punishment of the Bulls now isnt going to be a deterrent to people making those same decisions because they arent the ones who are being punished.
In reality all we are doing is punishing someone who has rescued an RL club for the actions of the people who caused it to be in need of rescue'"
Its not so much about punishing Bradford, its about setting an example to deter others from making the same rash decisions. The RFL has an opportunity to set a clear precedent here, if it fails to do so then it is being negligent in its duty to ensure that clubs act responsibly.
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| Quote a.n Other="a.n Other"The increase in the number of teams that are qualifying to play in the playoffs is due to the increase in the number of playoff places.'"
So the fact that Crusaders improved from 14th to 8th is down to their being more play-off places? the fact Catalans went from 14th to 6th to 5th is because there are more play-off places?
under franchising, no club has finished bottom twice in a row, no club has even finished in the bottom two twice in a row, only 3 of 14 clubs in 4 completed seasons havent been in the play-offs, this isnt because we now have 8/14 qualifying rather than 6/12, it is because the teams at the bottom are closer to each other, and closer to the middle. This is a good thing, somethign we should celebrate.
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Either the gross missmanagent that Bradford have committed deserves demotion, or it doesnt, there is as you point out no club in the Championships that can get to anywhere near what Bradford have, you know that, I know that, every single fan at every club knows that, even the Red Hall cat probably knows that, so why do the idiots in charge not know that, and if they do, what in gods name do they expect to find out any differently by having a ' mini licence application ' ?
Once again Mr Wood and Mr Rimmer, grow some balls and do the jobs you are being well paid to do, make a simple decision instead of passing the buck'"
Fine, im comfortable with punishing the gross mismanagement at the Bulls, but actually punish those who mismanaged them, not those managing now.
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| Quote Derwent="Derwent"Its not so much about punishing Bradford, its about setting an example to deter others from making the same rash decisions. The RFL has an opportunity to set a clear precedent here, if it fails to do so then it is being negligent in its duty to ensure that clubs act responsibly.'"
Punishing Omar Kahn for the actions of Peter Hood, wouldnt deter Peter Hood from making those decisions.
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| Quote bren2k="bren2k"Except for the fact that he made clear at a recent fans forum that the club had made a modest operating profit under his stewardship. An inconvenient truth maybe, but the truth nonetheless.'"
Then he should be congratulated, my question about ST prices was from a post I read on the Wakey board, if I am mistaken, then apologies , not wanting to criticise Wakey, especially if they are operating fairly
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Punishing Omar Kahn for the actions of Peter Hood, wouldnt deter Peter Hood from making those decisions.'"
1. Omar Khan isn't being punished, Bradford Bulls as a continuous entity are. Corporate responsibility.
2. Peter Hood is no longer in a position to make those decisions, so thats irrelevant, but..
3. Punishing Bradford Bulls may well deter Richard Wright, or Andrew Glover, or any other club chairman from making those decisions in future
4. When Widnes were denied SL at the first licencing round with their period of administration being cited as the major reason by the RFL, what had the actions of the previous management got to do with the Steve O'Connor management team ? They were judged on the actions of previous incumbents, so there is already a precedent for it.
Or we can simply do nothing and send out the message that its fine to practice gross financial mismanagement and suffer no consequences.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"So the fact that Crusaders improved from 14th to 8th is down to their being more play-off places? the fact Catalans went from 14th to 6th to 5th is because there are more play-off places?
under franchising, no club has finished bottom twice in a row, no club has even finished in the bottom two twice in a row, only 3 of 14 clubs in 4 completed seasons havent been in the play-offs, this isnt because we now have 8/14 qualifying rather than 6/12, it is because the teams at the bottom are closer to each other, and closer to the middle. This is a good thing, somethign we should celebrate.'"
So in 3 years of franchising we have 1 club finish bottom and disapear, then the club that replaced it disapear, so its not really surprising they havent finished bottom twice, is it ?
So Crusaders didnt go from 14th to 8 th as they were tottally different clubs
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