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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"Oh come on Smokey, how can you possibly feel the same!
You’ve watched your team have unprecedented success in recent years & the other clubs you have cited have won G.F’s, C.C’s or at least got to finals of the comps.
Failure to you is not seeing Leeds at Wembley or Old Trafford each season, how would you feel if the club you supported was blocked from aspiring to those dizzy heights?'"
Well put. It seems the old "closed shop" syndrome is affecting one or two people.
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"Oh come on Smokey, how can you possibly feel the same!
You’ve watched your team have unprecedented success in recent years & the other clubs you have cited have won G.F’s, C.C’s or at least got to finals of the comps.
Failure to you is not seeing Leeds at Wembley or Old Trafford each season, how would you feel if the club you supported was blocked from aspiring to those dizzy heights?'"
It isnt just the ' block ' its the realisation that the club ( in fact all the clubs outside SL ) will never be able to improve enough to make a realistic bid
Its like the situation at Bradford, they are basically bolloxed, if they cant exist in SL ( and recent history tells us they cant ) , they havent a cat in hells chance in the Championships, and it would seem nobody is interested in buying a Bradford Championship club
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| You are dead right ,who in their right mind would buy a Championship 1 club ? The RFL has made the division between the leagues too wide the Championship clubs have next to no hope of ever reaching Super League .No Club should have a divine right to stay in Super League no matter how their club has been run ,the longer this goes on the more embarassing it becomes.When is enough deemed enough before someone finally pulls the green tent round and gives a humane injection to the Bull .The RFL have much to answer for as do the Board of Bradford ,it`s the fans that suffer but as long as you still have a team then that is ok. I don`t think it`s doing the game any good to have this played out on the public stage any longer.
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| Quote eliteYou are dead right ,who in their right mind would buy a Championship 1 club ? The RFL has made the division between the leagues too wide the Championship clubs have next to no hope of ever reaching Super League .No Club should have a divine right to stay in Super League no matter how their club has been run ,the longer this goes on the more embarassing it becomes.When is enough deemed enough before someone finally pulls the green tent round and gives a humane injection to the Bull .The RFL have much to answer for as do the Board of Bradford ,it`s the fans that suffer but as long as you still have a team then that is ok. I don`t think it`s doing the game any good to have this played out on the public stage any longer.'"
P&R has been a raving success in the best RL comp in the world (NRL) hasnt it. hmmm
You get your chance every 3 years to join the "elite" how is that a closed shop-Put something together that is better than the Bulls and you are in.
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| Quote wire quin="wire quin"P&R has been a raving success in the best RL comp in the world (NRL) hasnt it. hmmm
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Although not quite the success of licencing, eh?
PS who knows how good the NRL would be if they adopted P&R?
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| Quote wire quin="wire quin"P&R has been a raving success in the best RL comp in the world (NRL) hasnt it. hmmm
You get your chance every 3 years to join the "elite" how is that a closed shop-Put something together that is better than the Bulls and you are in.'"
So whats better than the Bulls? Losses of less than a million a year? , and you are missing the point , it is impossible to build or improve to anywhere near a level to make the jump, as a London fan, you should be acutely aware of that
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| Disagree, get a steady stream of jnr's coming through, get 3000 crowds, get your stadium up to standard and show the RFL you have corporates and/or financial backers ready to support a SL club and you would be in. Should be achievable for any aspiring SL club.
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| Quote Finsbury Wire="Finsbury Wire"First things first, my club is one of the fortunate clubs that at the moment, wouldn't be affected whether we use P&R or franchising. My personal opinion is franchise for the medium term to get clubs such as Fax, Leigh, Fev & whoever else closer to SL level (for what its worth, from what I know Fax have been carrying out some great work that should be applauded). The when there is a reasonable amount of clubs at that level, revert to P&R, then best team wins.
No, I dont know it was poor, nor do you know it was one of the best 14 so I dont really see the value of your point. But I'm not buying into the conspiracy that the RFL would do teams over to look after its mates...at the end of the day it's success comes from having the best product, therefore the best 14 clubs. I have as little reason to doubt the accepted 14 teams being the best as you do reason for thinking they're not.
It's a case of "my club didn't make it, its stings and I will stomp my feet"...that's natural but doesn't make it right. Do a Widnes...go away, work hard come back stronger next time...that's a good approach to any rejection in life I think.
I'm not going to criticise Bradford for casting its youth net beyond Odsal...that's good scouting and that's part of a good youth set up. Warrington have had a few Welsh lad and Cumbrians come through its youth team...it makes sense to get the best of what's around.
SL teams have Supporter's Trusts too to help support the youth system, but I acknowledge your point about further funding...how the funding is split is a whole different bigger arguement that needs addressing. I know its tough for teams in the lower divisions. Halifax should be praised for turning a profit in the tough times!
End of the day, it wont change my life as to who enters or leaves SL over the whole Bulls situation...but a year on I'm bored of bitter fans crying they didn't get in.
Go away, work hard come back stronger next time'"
How I wish you were right and we COULD trust the RFL but you can't they have the final say and move the goalposts as they wish, there is no TRANSPARENCY in RL anymore. Come on look at the FACTS our bid was turned down yet we made a small profit last year while Bradford were making loss afetr loss, yet they passed the Francjise system financial checks???
I rest my case.
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"How would you feel if the club you supported was blocked from aspiring to those dizzy heights?'"
Out of curiosity, how are clubs blocked from aspiring to any heights, dizzy or otherwise?
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| Quote tb="tb"Out of curiosity, how are clubs blocked from aspiring to any heights, dizzy or otherwise?'"
Because it is decided by faceless people with unfathomable criteria who can pick & choose who they want at the top table.
I presume you’re of the opinion that any club that attains the said requirements can achieve ‘Nirvana’.
I, on the other hand, believe certain clubs haven’t a hope in hell, until promotion & relegation is based on performance – on the field.
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"Because it is decided by faceless people with unfathomable criteria who can pick & choose who they want at the top table.
I presume you’re of the opinion that any club that attains the said requirements can achieve ‘Nirvana’.
I, on the other hand, believe certain clubs haven’t a hope in hell, until promotion & relegation is based on performance – on the field.'" I think I will go along with your version DA as opposed to the cloud cuckoo one.
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| Quote The Devil's Advocate="The Devil's Advocate"Oh come on Smokey, how can you possibly feel the same!
You’ve watched your team have unprecedented success in recent years & the other clubs you have cited have won G.F’s, C.C’s or at least got to finals of the comps.
'" I was being sarcastic, i dont feel the same, but the situation is the same, Leeds are 'promoted' because of their success. We play the competitions we are in and celebrate the victories in the competitions we are in. It doesnt take anything away from Leeds success that it doesnt lead to playing in a different competition.
Quote The Devil's AdvocateFailure to you is not seeing Leeds at Wembley or Old Trafford each season, how would you feel if the club you supported was blocked from aspiring to those dizzy heights?'" there is no block, it doesnt exist. The only thing stopping Leigh being the next Leeds is the fact they arent capable of doing it. If Leigh were ever in a position where they could do what Leeds have done, they would be in SL, everybody would want them in SL because they would clearly be a great addition to the league. But the fact is they arent going to be next Leeds, they dont have the infrastructure or potential to be. They dont even pretend they will, they dont say promotion will lead to 15k fans, they dont say they will have one of, if not the best youth development structure and facilities in northern hemisphere rugby. When Leigh talk about promotion they talk about bouncing round the lower levels of SL, with lower levels of support, with some journeymen and the youngsters not taken by Wigan. When Leigh have even the ambition to be the next Leeds, never mind the ability and backing, we can talk about clubs being 'blocked from those dizzy heights' but its a nonsense to do so when even they dont believe they are capable of ever getting to those dizzy heights.
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