The coach should stay. It only masks the problem.

Maybe only a handful of players performed up to scratch because only a handful of players are able to?

I wouldn't fault the effort, just the execution of simple skills and decision making in attack and defence.

At the end of the day the coach can't stop players dropping balls that they wouldn't drop in SL. Maybe the step up in pressure was too much for some players to handle?

Smith is totally useless. People slagged off nobles selection policy's etc but Smith's was worse even his handling of the media out there smacked of a desperate man without any idea of what he was supposed to do. He and his employers should do the decent thing and walk as they have done nothing to improve the state of things since 8 years ago.

Without the players what can the coach do?

Noble or Smith - was the end outcome really any different?

Nobles column on the BBC says the same but then he is one of the worst for utilising poor quality imports instead of developing english players

First version please.

And there lies the problem.

Our game can't get much quicker and look at the end result in the last few weeks.

Yes!!! Smith out!!

For large parts of our games we didn't seem to have a clue, never mind a plan

I can see the reasons for Smith to go but who to replace him? Cullen?

Exactly we were clueless, on the other threads the saints players are taking a hammering, but these players play to game plans, use decoy runners, switch direction of play, use a second wave of attack, run complicated angles.

We didn,y see any of this from the england side, its as though the english side were playing "flat school boy rugby" so whose fault is that...Tony Smith

Indeed, what happened to all those years of success we had before Tony Smith was coach...

No offence to the guy but I just cannot see how he can stay on after such an abysmal performance.

Yes its true we don't have the quality players but we were expected to compete in the forwards of other teams and we simply haven't.

The biggest problems for me with Smith are three things.

1. In an interview on TV after the first NZ game he gave a politicians answer instead of coming clean and saying that we had played rubbish so far. His comments displayed a lack of blunt honesty about the performances.

2. Squad selection. We didn't take enough Prop Forwards and this was always going to bite us.

3. Team selections and substitutions. He has failed miserably by chopping and changing the team. His choice of players for certain matches was bizzarre. Why didn't he always play with two hookers with one coming off the bench. Why did he drop Lee Smith for the last game instead of putting him on the wing?

Try writing that again, are you the Judder man or the Jibberish man?

O the unintelligent one, you are not Tony Smith,s assistant are you.

So what was it exactly that you were trying to say?

You're his mum. No one else could possibly see merit in him.