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Quote: Tre Cool "15 away fans? Wakey and Salford are no better than Quins in terms of home support. They're just nearer the rest of SL which bumps their attendances up. I admit it's poor though and Im not sure there's a solution tbh. Not without bags of money and some success. Neither of which look close to happening. Im not sure why it really matters though, as long as we can afford to carry on and are the pinnacle of an exceptional youth and amateur scene in London.

Its a great match day atmosphere, the team are playing some ok stuff this year so I for one would be completely gutted if we disappeared.'"


Wakefield’s home support is no better than Quins icon_lol.gif .

You are correct though with your assumption that, if Quins can afford to carry on, however, I can’t see your Sugar Daddy taking to many more hits single handed.

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Quote: Pinkerton "I'm sorry, but how can you compare those two games? Cas-Wakefield is a full on local derby, Quins-Catalan isn't and never will be. This is probably our least popular game with crowds, whereas Cas-Wakefield will be the highest. That's not a fair comparison to make.

A better one would be that Castleford had 4,000 to see them play Catalan. Now for a true Rugby League town, that's a far worse crowd than ours today IMO.'"



This is a bit unfair to compare Pinkerton . This game was on sky , and was nearer 5k that 4k ( 4,889 ) . Our average crowd this season is now 6,868 , admittedly boosted a bit by Good Friday game . However , if you remove our two games that have been shown on sky , our average home crowd is 7,582 , with no individual game under 6000 , including matches against Salford and Crusaders . Yes you are right in saying that Cas is a hotbed of rugby league , but we are one of the best , if not the best , supported team in the super league based on population . At the last consensus the population of Cas was 37,525 . This would represent an average crowd per head of population of over 18% . Not bad , I am sure you will agree . Don't get me wrong , I am not saying for one second that all of our crowd comes from within the Cas district , but I am sure that the majority do . Now I also don't suggest that you can say that Quins should be able to get more crowd considering London has a population of 8 million either , but looking at the borough of twickenham alone the population is well over 100k . All in all I think that Cas do pretty well considering , and the fact that we areon the shortlist for the loss of our franchise ( which we are more than in the running for ) when you consider the amount of interest and the percentage of people that come to watch our club is a real pointer imo that the franchise system needs reviewing

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Quote: Tre Cool "15 away fans? Wakey and Salford are no better than Quins in terms of home support. They're just nearer the rest of SL which bumps their attendances up. I admit it's poor though and Im not sure there's a solution tbh. Not without bags of money and some success. Neither of which look close to happening. Im not sure why it really matters though, as long as we can afford to carry on and are the pinnacle of an exceptional youth and amateur scene in London.

Its a great match day atmosphere, the team are playing some ok stuff this year so I for one would be completely gutted if we disappeared.'"


Wakey average 6500, while Salford average 5000 and Quins 2700. Wakey played Quins the other week, the crowd was all Wakey fans, next to no Quins fans and got 5412 in. So what you say about 'They're just nearer the rest of SL which bumps their attendances up', doesn't hold much water.

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Shifty-Wakey will be able to lift the average Championship crowd next year- 5K will look good against Batley.

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Quote: wire-quin "Shifty-Wakey will be able to lift the average Championship crowd next year- 5K will look good against Batley.'"

Well done love.

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I really don't get this preoccupation with attendances......so long as Harlequins RL are financially viable then they will remain in SL.......as for SKYTV saying the'yd reduce the cash if there were no london?????.....does anyone here care to find out? Seriously...if London were the team to go and let's say the money dropped to 500k each......how many clubs would survive? 10 grand a week drop in "profitable" income.........how would say Wakey, Castleford, HKR and Widnes cope with that?
Back to the 80's with Wigan winning it all as the only professional outfit....FC, Leeds and Wire going part time...with maybe 1 big name each and Union.....picking up the cream of the game.

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Quote: wire-quin "Shifty-Wakey will be able to lift the average Championship crowd next year- 5K will look good against Batley.'"


What a complete snob.

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Quote: jet black "I really don't get this preoccupation with attendances......'"


Because they can no longer whinge about the ground or the number of imports in the team.

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Quote: jet black "I really don't get this preoccupation with attendances......so long as Harlequins RL are financially viable then they will remain in SL.......as for SKYTV saying the'yd reduce the cash if there were no london?????.....does anyone here care to find out? Seriously...if London were the team to go and let's say the money dropped to 500k each......how many clubs would survive? 10 grand a week drop in "profitable" income.........how would say Wakey, Castleford, HKR and Widnes cope with that?
Back to the 80's with Wigan winning it all as the only professional outfit....FC, Leeds and Wire going part time...with maybe 1 big name each and Union.....picking up the cream of the game.'"


As long as other non playing issues are used by the RFL to decide who plays where , then every club will be pulled for whatever it is weakest at , with Quins it is attendances , with other clubs it is other issues , if you don't want them to be important , then ask to go back to P and R , simple as

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Heading down to Quins on Saturday with Salford. Not looking forward to speaking to any of their knowledgeable, well informed and pleasant fans. I prefer my Rugby League trips to be full of know-nothing Super League hicks.

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Quote: Walshovski "Heading down to Quins on Saturday with Salford. Not looking forward to speaking to any of their knowledgeable, well informed and pleasant fans. I prefer my Rugby League trips to be full of know-nothing Super League hicks.'"


You're going to be disappointed if you're going in to our nation's capital looking for politeness and a decent conversation from strangers.

I don't really understand your point. Are you saying the quins fans are of higher standard to the rest? Based on what?

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Quote: Tre Cool "15 away fans? Wakey and Salford are no better than Quins in terms of home support. They're just nearer the rest of SL which bumps their attendances up. I admit it's poor though and Im not sure there's a solution tbh. Not without bags of money and some success. Neither of which look close to happening. Im not sure why it really matters though, as long as we can afford to carry on and are the pinnacle of an exceptional youth and amateur scene in London.

Its a great match day atmosphere, the team are playing some ok stuff this year so I for one would be completely gutted if we disappeared.'"



eusa_think.gif Can you back that statement up please.

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I can....but I really can't be ars3d. It would involve stats, bending figures and counting every gate in SL over the last 15 years......and if I am honest, it would all be lies or at worst, the figures would be "bent" to meet my needs.
Wakey average 6k ish....Salford 4.5k ish.....Quins about 3k ish.......but regardless of those who now ask for proof of the SKY deal (since we were never relegated they had to find a new bone to chew)....Quins RL will be in SL in 2012..........that in itself should be proof enough that SKY want them in a046.gif

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Quote: Chris Dalton "You're going to be disappointed if you're going in to our nation's capital looking for politeness and a decent conversation from strangers.

I don't really understand your point. Are you saying the quins fans are of higher standard to the rest? Based on what?'"


I was suggesting that crowd figures aren't everything and Quins have a large proportion of excellent fans supporting the game in a non-traditional area and this constant sniping at the ones who actually go gets us nowhere.

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Quote: jet black "I can....but I really can't be ars3d. It would involve stats, bending figures and counting every gate in SL over the last 15 years......and if I am honest, it would all be lies or at worst, the figures would be "bent" to meet my needs.
Wakey average 6k ish....Salford 4.5k ish.....Quins about 3k ish.......but regardless of those who now ask for proof of the SKY deal (since we were never relegated they had to find a new bone to chew)....Quins RL will be in SL in 2012..........that in itself should be proof enough that SKY want them in
Don't doubt it for one minute pal and believe it or not i've no axe to grind with the Quins club.

So its a SKY franchise and not a franchise based on the RFL's critera then?

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