If you have any evidence that Wigan are breaking the cap, speak to the RFL. If you don't, be quiet.

We don't make the rules despite what you think Saddo..... Like other clubs, we just find ways to bend them...

I've not suggested they are breaking the rules. Where have I said that? By 'abuse' I mean are they benefiting in ways the new rules they suggested were not intended, not that they are breaking rules.

The bit you quoted above it about work permits and immigration. You need to read before you post.

and you need to get a life and stop worrying about Wigan and start worrying about Paul Wellens at full back next season.

Martin aside all our signings have played lots of first team NRL games including this season, Aspinwall will add depth, Lynch is an excellent signings and Ellis will add cover in our halfs. You have signed a player that has never played a first team game, that along with Lauaki who was our worst player last year on a long term deal, seems like 2 strange signings. I'd still expect Wigan to finish in the top 2 next year and maybe win one of the two trophies, but I think they could go this without the signings of these two overseas player, same as I don't think martin will make any different to how we do.

As for Seymour if you have seen him play he is a pretty good player and if he head is right will do well in SL, got injured and couldn't get his place back to the outstanding young talent at the Warriors.

Forget other peoples signings I just can't see how anyone can justify this signings.

If Wigan are 'benefiting', then so can every other club.

The SC is all about a level playing field after all, is it not?

As I've said above I think you will do well, but could have done that without the signings of Gelling and maybe Lauaki.

Can't really compare Gelling to Deacon or Carmont who both were very experienced players, this is more like a Patrick Ah Van signing.

Still have a good side though nobody can argue with that, think Wane will have Lauaki in the 17 though.

It used to be. Most clubs now won't be on a level playing field at all.

You should be lucky it exists at all as Wigan are showing signs of becoming frustrated with being held back by fairness and wanting to spend their way to success like in the 80s and 90s.

No, its not, sadly.

If you have a wealthy owner, there are plenty of ways that you can drive a coach and horses through the salary cap. Plenty. I bloody well could. Some of them are even legal and within the rules - image rights paid by an "unconnected" third party, or the guy's spouse/partner being employed by a mate of the owner, to name but two.

Not a pop at Wigan btw - not at all. Never had any problems at all with Wigan fans (bar the odd latecomer glory supporter, like we've all had)) - they were always fine and totally reasonable even in that period when Wigan were pants by their own standards. And hell, I even used to be a mod on a Wigan unofficial forum once, and it was as sensible RL discussion as you could find on the whole internet. Its a pop at the system. Look at the squads; look at where the money is; and go figure?

And yes, this IS sour grapes by a fan of a club that does not have a wealthy owner and whose club is therefore permanently handicapped relative to those clubs that do. The very sourest. Excruciatingly sour. And if the fans of clubs like Cas and Wakey say tough tìttie, welcome to the real world, their argument is totally irrefutable, because they are right.

Because weve got the RFL and the UK border agency in our back pocket. Did you not know?

Your now also saying this player hasnt played any NRL games that you know of yet earlier in the thread you quite clearly labelled him as an NRL centre? Make your mind up Or did you just call him an NRL centre to strengthen your earlier argument?

Saddened does make a valid point though.... which seems to be being ignored.

How does he qualify for a work permit?

And you and Saddened are both missing a valid point, he hasn't signed yet. He might not get a work permit.

On another note though, he's from the Cook Islands, doesn't that make Visa's easier?

oh fair enough....I thought he had signed.

So anybody who has been in Wigans system at a level below the first team playing centre is a super league centre?

Dont be such a fool and stop making up crap to support your arguments.