Sinfield can do it for club but obviously not for country. Totally agree with you, a good kicking game makes a massive difference, and last night it was non existent.

Sinfield, Burrow and Mcguires kicking game in the grand final was almost flawless.


Some of the post on here are hilarious. England play the first game and play very rusty like a side that hasn't played together before (strange that!). England get through the game with a win, yes it wasnt a good performance but it was a win. Yes it is a big ask to match the quality of the Kiwi's and Australians, but people saying Brough and Keith Mason with save us from a beating are deluded at best! Smith has picked what he thinks is the best squad to do the job, why do people think panicking after a win in the opening game and bringing in players who aren't in the squad, changing the team totally is going to do anything for the team as a whole?? Do people really think bringing in Keith Mason is going to make the England team a better one, seriously??

As for the halves we need at least one of them that is used to playing and winning in big games, McGuire has to keep his spot, personally Id keep the team pretty much the same as continuity can be a good thing.

We can beat both the Kiwis and the Australians, they are not super human and I hope that the English players have that attitude, the players need to rise to the occasion and what better occasion than playing Australia in our own backyard, some of the posts on here are just typical RL whinging, of course we don't have the talent that the Aussies and Kiwis have but we have to go with what we've got, and as I say anything can happen.

So who do you pick, a player who is in form and been kicking impeccably for his club, or someone who may or may not kick well, I thought people wanted players picked on form?

FWIW I don't think Peacock is the right man for a captain, Sinfield would be better in that role as I think that's what makes him tick.

A good captain is not necessarily the best player.

Another Leeds fan by any chance

When was the last time they had a good kicking game for England/GB?

Thought so as it is quite obvious and no I dont agree.



I am not talking about playing great, I am talking about a good kicking game and that is my point. It is a long, long time since I saw anyone kick well playing for England or GB. The kicking gane is a big reason why we keep losing.



Who you think is playing on form and who I do is obviously different. Sinfield has never played well for England/GB and in my opinion simply isnt international standard. He is a decent player who is a good goal kicker who does well in a good team. I wouldnt say he is a particularly good field kicker though. Put him is the Salford or Wakefield teams and see how good he is then.

You don't agree they kicked well in the GF? did you watch a different game to me.

Your last point is pure conjecture, Sinfield doesn't play for Salford he plays for Leeds, a team he has captained to 4 GF wins and 3 of them in a row, he has played well all season and was MOM in the biggest game of the year so far, is that not what you would call on form?

If you are calling on form players that have played well for England before then I'm afraid we wouldn't be able t get a starting 13.

your right though maybe we shuld fill the national team with out of form players from the lower placed sides, that would show em!

I am sorry your bias makes it difficult to take you seriously. If you honestly cant see Sinfields failings on the international stage then there is no point continuing this debate. If you dont realise that kicking to some of the donkeys that play in Super League doesnt neccessarily equate to a good kicking game there is again no point in continuing this. International standard is far, far different to being Super League standard, especially when you are playing in a championship winning team. By your reckoning Ade Gardner is a international winger

Look at the performance Blair put in tonight and tell me Sinfield deserves to be on the same field as him.

We're so far behind it'll take weeks to find all the body parts.

Well if we'd had a hooker who can kick, like Cam Smith and Robbie Farah both can for Aus, and halfbacks who can kick consistently and he wasn't out injured - Lockers, or heck even give Westerman a go or Burgess a go. Scott Moore is actually the closest thing we have to a hooker like that (don't laugh i know he's not on the same planet) in that he actually has a bit of a kicking game - shame he got clattered last night as prior to that he was going ok (first 10 mins ish)

I like Sinfield in super league I really do, I just don't know why he can't put in the a performance even in the same league when he's playing internationally.

As we are were we are, then with Sinfield in the squad he's got to play at 13 imo

agreed, our players will get snapped in half (almost literally) by the ferocity of the kiwis and the aussies will tear us apart on the fringes.

So who are the alternatives? we don't have a player like Blair available, we have to go with our form players in our own competition, how else do you suggest we pick the national squad.

Just saying 'well we can't match what the Aussies and Kiwis have' seems a stupid way to go into a tournament, on paper the Kiwis are no match for the Aussies but they do OK.

A big difference is the Kiwis you can see are desperately up for any match against Australia, and have a good coach.