because the existing club has failed to make the grade, they were given and opportunity to do so and they didnt do it,

so someone else gets a go,

Yes I agree that if a club has done nothing and made no improvements at all then they could and should be demoted.

I think though that there is every possibility given the three year license that every club should be able to demonstrate major improvements in many of the franchise criteria so that they are at least well on the way to being at least B license clubs which would be more than any Championship club could do.

I just think it's going to be very hard for a club outside of SL to be demonstrably better than any existing SL club in three years time.

i dont think it will be hard, i think it will be nigh on impossible for any championship to prove itself better than an SL club in three years time,

which is why those making the franchise decision will take into account whether the club was in the championship or in SL when it looks at what that club has done over the past few years

I'll jump on the band wagon and strongly suggest that at the end of this 3 years SL will be the same as it is and there will STILL be no place for a couple of teams who believe they have a divine right to be there.

If, there is any alteration it will be eitherbe by an additional club or a team away from the heartlands will replace a set of planks (if they blow their existing SL franchise then that is the ONLY conclusion).

However this is RL and strange things happen that mystify and bemuse.

Whilst i realise that is alot of games a season, i think in the long run rl is going to have to have bigger sqauds and a rule that a player can only play say, 25-30 games a season, which will give more chances for young players.

I roughly divided the leagues into east and west (less travel means more people can attend away games and derbies are preserved) with both sides having expansion clubs included. Yorkshire is the heartland of rl too with more sustainable (or potentially sustainable) clubs than anywhere else and these clubs should be given the chance to thrive in sl. Yorkshire is 4 counties as well so considering the 2 counties of lancashire/cheshire has 6 teams 8 split between 3 counties isnt that much of a stretch.

Using dico's method from earlier on in the thread but with more teams.

Well his method doesn't add up either then.
10 team conference, H&A Whilst i realise that is alot of games a season, i think in the long run rl is going to have to have bigger sqauds and a rule that a player can only play say, 25-30 games a season, which will give more chances for young players.'"

I haven't a problem with the larger squads plan so that we can play more games and rest our stars. I've suggested this many-a-time in the past myself, mixed with a capping of how many games you can play a year to allow for more international games.

However, you cannot expand squads AND increase the number of teams in one area. It's just too much. The quality of the play will drop dramatically, we're already at a stretch now. Playing more juniors doesn't necessarily mean they'll be any good or even get better.

The West Yorkshire area is massive, so yeah could probably sustain a lot more than any other area (especially coupled with the interest in the area). However, would it be better to spread the talent thinner and have 6 good teams, or have less teams and have the best players at the most sustainable clubs so that we have a more elite elite? If we concentrate all of our resources in one area, then that area will always be strongest. We need to spread our resources around a bit so that we can develop a talent pool in other areas (as well as spectators, etc.).

the most capable SL teams, will always be the teams already in SL, that doesnt mean that other teams, in other areas wouldnt be more capable if given the chance,

neither Wakefield nor Cas have never been able to covert those youngsters into enough first team players to produce a challenging SL squad

west yorkshire is very strong RL wise, but to have 6 teams in a 12 team league from west yorkshire is too much, especially when you have another 2 teams in also in yorkshire,

and whilst we could all list players from west yorkshire, for 6 teams to be sustainable through mostly their own youth development, we are looking at needing about 100 players from west yorkshire playing SL at any one time, and about 20-30 new SL quality players, every year or two, from west yorkshire only,

its simply too much

As i've said before this isnt an idea that i'm suggesting we put in place overnight, this should be an eventual aim for 10-15 years in the future.

I agree not all resources should be concentrated in one area, but if resources are there they should be exploited. W.yorks has produced a v. large amount of juniors and rl has benefited from this but it hasnt for instance held back the record no. of young kids playing around london has it.

This is about the affects of franchising though so the past is pretty moot, as we are only in the first few weeks of the first franchise season.

There are around 60 players from w.yorks playing super league, can you really not imagine that we could add another 40 with the positive effects of franchising?

Besides which it would only be one more team than there is now (and even then it was halifax OR sheffield) which isnt exactly a great stretch.

People need to stop beeing hung up up on location, sustainability and performance are more important, do you think american football would rather have the sport played in more countries proffesionally, but with less, weaker teams or have it as it is know with lots of strong teams confind largely to one country? I'm all for expansion, but i'm just happy if a strong rl team emerges in barnsley or aberdeen, i would rather have many clubs than a few clubs with a greater spread.

so the past gives us no indication at all to the future?



nearly doubling it? yes, i think that is a tall order, i think it will be very difficult to double the productivity of the most RL saturated region in the country, and maybe the world



and we are struggling now, in fact we are quite far away right now from being able to do it,



thats fine, but you are still ignoring the fact that all current SL clubs are going to be stronger than a club not in SL,

and any expansion club is, at the beginning going to be weaker than a heartland club,

if we are ever going to expand the game, or even add new clubs to the league we will be adding a club which is weaker than the clubs already in SL,

and strong team isnt going to emerge in either aberdeen or barnsley, a strong team has never just emerged, it doesnt happen

they are always, always, always weak when they make that step up, but making that step, and taking that risk is the only way possible to get stronger

Interesting you should say that.
It isn't that long ago that the NFL was largely confined to just the north-east of the US.
They're all over the US now.
They're also making significant efforts to grow interest outside the US.