oh course crowds matter, paying crowds not ones that get freebies

They attracted the "crowds" by putting on a Free beer festival and leaving the gates open for anyone to wander in. As was reported many people in the ground didn't leave the beer tents. As was reported fans from here who went doubted the crowd size anyway. Your not a WUM of course but you do get some things quite wrong.

If they had all these massive paying crowds how come they lost £30Million?

Possibly because unlike M62 clubs they did NOT survive on any broadcast deals.
They also paid the costs of the travelling sides,and their entourage.
They also had a wealthy owner who did NOT pay for things.
Do you tar the M62 clubs under the same brush when they fail to pay?

Do you have any input with regard to the re-structure,again,of Super League?

Why do you persist in classing anyone who states facts and/or opinion as a WUM?

That’s a lot of money. If you think it worked you have your answer. To keep using the M62 clubs as an excuse who still survive is your burden. But they survive for a reason,not £30m.

They survived because of the Government grant/loan.

Huddersfield offered free tickets for a game and it hardly boosted the crowd at all

We do a few games with cheap tickets in the past and it doesn't make much difference really

People won't attend something they don't like whether it's free or not

Toronto proved they could get 8,000 through the gates.... How Many super league clubs would get them crowds in league 1?.... None is the answer

They didn't verify the 8,000 you claim. But even 4,000 may have been a very good attendance for a free Rugby league game and a Free Beer festival.

But why as an established sensible poster are you even been drawn down the "crowds" line??

Right from the start Eric Perez spoke about his ambition for the TWP club and his desire to meet the criteria set them for entry to the game here. Perez fully acknowledged the club were required to develop North American players (and they actually did have several such players). However after year one they sacked the north american players off. There was no excuse for this as there are some good North American players playing league, they have played in RL World cups.

Perez fully acknowledged the need to get paying Canadian TV deals and he promised this from the start trying to sell his show in which Grid iron players would bid to convert to League and sign for the Wolfpack.

Nowhere but nowhere was the criteria for success "crowds" but you obviously fell for that, and of course Perez constantly peddled the massive crowds idea and TWP even went on to count the unverified thousands of "Eyeballs" i,e, alleged fans who avidly followed TWP over the internet and social media.

This "expansion club" was so successful it alleged it had hundreds of thousands of followers across the globe never mind "8.000" in the ground

You can find Perez agreeing to develop NA players and find Canadian TV money in his Dave Woods Interview on you tube. The "Crowds" argument was as phoney as the club and the reality was TWP failed to achieve anything they actually agreed to achieve.

And onto the way in which they decided to just dump the club.

David Argyle is a Billionaire and remains so, so money was never an object albeit he had a penchant for not paying his bills. He ran up about £30Million in bills proving transatlantic RL was not financially viable. He was not that interested either as his real personal aim was to own or part own an NRL club.

His "out" once he got bored with it all and realised the SL bosses did not want his circus, was to just walk away owing that massive debt with all his apologists claiming he had been financially wiped out by Covid. Funny thing is his large stakes in the Brazilian Potash mines remained unaffected as the Brazilian president didn't shut down the Brazilian economy, but I suppose the excuse suited people who didn't want the fact, that these phonies had taken RL for a ride to reflect badly on the game here.

So how is a phoney Ottawa Aces going to do it without a $$Billionairre??

So Huddersfield should not be allowed in Superleague then?

The final reality is there would be no Superleague without a bunch of down and out useless, never heard of small northern towns providing clubs into a regional league.

That enough northern investors, invest in enough northern clubs, who develop quality players, with enough northern fans to make these clubs professional and attractive to TV deals on the terrestrial and other channels is why we have RL in this country in the first place.

If you don't think Davey and Fartown are up to it then fine, kick 'em out......

You do recall that Perez left Toronto after about a year to not only start up Ottawa but to help out a M62 that was a repeat offender for not paying,don't you?

How do you think Super League should re - structure? This thread is about that...

Do you think the serial offenders,situated along the M62 corridor, for their numerous on and off field offences,are assisting with youngsters participation, and any future broadcast deal? As they have broken the salary cap twice,will the re-structure do away with a salary cap?
As the serial offending club seem to have problems with the players they sign from elsewhere should clubs be limited to players born and raised within a certain distance? Should the governing body run academies,thereby saving clubs money,and from there the players go to different clubs on a draft basis?
What is the future,other then you banging on with your flawed facts about overseas clubs?

Perez did say that Toronto would develop Canadian players and, waived their "share" of Sky monies, suggesting that they would have their own TV deal in N. America.
The failure to secure this deal harmed only Toronto and it had ZERO effect on the other SL clubs.

However, inflated or not, their crowds in League 1 and the Championship were excellent, especially for a new club in new territory.
It's not even an argument, it's plain black and white fact.

You talk about crowds "not being verified" but, NOBODY verifies their crowds. Why on earth should they, just as long as they pay the relevant tax to the authorities and share the gate money in fixtures demand it.

You do know that Toronto are no longer in SL ??

Should be interesting to see whether the proposed restructure has any positive benefit on the next tv deal in a couple of years time, especially with just one overseas club in the mix (unless Toulouse gain promotion and or Catalan are relegated0.