A title is just that, when you won it in
a snapshot in time and a Trophy to put in your Cabinet.
Is the New Zealand team a better team than the Australian team currently?
The last match they played suggests not.
The 1921 to 1950 quote is a bit sad.
I do not remember WWII either.
We have kept turning up to 3 and 4 Nations and humiliating GB/England too?

The Ball is in Englands Court it has been for 3 decades.
Its up to you to step up, not Oz or NZ to go backwards.
The facts are you are a million miles away from consistently beating Australia and the game in the UK is hanging on by the skin of its teeth, half of the teams are just rubbish, the other half are barely professional.
Those are the facts.
Australia needs to hang on to the SOO as it may be the only game at the top in 20 years time.
England's failures to build the game and the School and Junior development to make a competitive Super League is not Australia's fault..
England has built NO foundations for 40 years and relied on Player and Coach imports rather than address the problem and develop the local products.
Englands SL is a product of the short sighted Club and RFL taking the easy import option.
Borrowed time is my opinion.

If they were better they would have won?

The common consensus is the England Coach is total Rubbish.

Who from England should replace him..
I rest my point.
The game in the UK is terminal and seeing a bunch of retired old Men beat the best England can put up last week confirms that to all.
Only one Exile player was a perhaps current Test player against Englands best.

A title is the proof of who is the best team – are Gold Coast a better team than St George just because they beat them last time out? Of course not

What is the point of having international competitions if you just put your fingers in your ears shout Nah Nah Nah and ignore the results – the Kiwi’s are the best team, accept it and move on

Why is the 1921 to 1950 quote sad – I am merely demonstrating that things are always transitory and just because we haven’t beaten you for 30+ years you shouldn’t say we will ‘never’ dominate as you didn’t beat us for 30 years either...

It is another subject and another thread but I have posted may statistics to demonstrate that the game of rugby League is in great health in the UK and growing in many aspects (school and junior teams, truly national amateur competition etc)

That’s all by the by, what really worries me is this...



It is exactly this mentality that will stop RL from growing – just watch your neighbours host the RU World Cup later this year and see how that sport encourages international competition and doesn’t throw teams to the wilderness just because they can’t compete

And that's not just an Australian attitude - we did just the same to France

What a match !!! Another Golden-point drama. We are the GP kings!!!! Roll on tacky Blackpool

I agree that its up to GB/England to become competitive to bring internationals to life. How the heck we do that is a whole separate topic.

My only issue with Origin is that players have to be eligible to play for Australia. Jack Reed would qualify to play for England and is already better than any English SL Centre but is very unlikely to make Australia's top team. He could, however, quite possibly sneak an Origin appearance or two over his career due to injuries for Queensland, who regardless of the standard of their 'top' team don't have the strength in depth of NSW. As a result he'll plump for Qld and Australia - which he already has. He'll never play for England and may never even play Origin.

I really don't see how this would in any way detract from Origin as a spectacle and as a match. The rules of Origin qualification are themselves laughable, with several Queenslanders playing for NSW and vice versa. Would it really diminish the spectacle or event in any way if Jack Reed (or Gareth Widdop if he ever gets good enough) played Origin and for England?

yeah lets get rid of the best RL on the planet so int. RL can prosper


Origin is succesful because it is an even competetion since inception

sorry for burtsing your little bubble

yeh pretty much spot on

however a stronger int, scence can also help us too but its not essential

excellent post

Ok so even though it is the pinnacle we should just pretend it isnt

Lol

If GB or NZ could be like queensland over 40 years vs NSW, int. RL would be on par with origin

its that simple

all we have in international RL is a few upset wins in finals by NZ

its got a long way to go

NZ are probably there

Origin is the pinnacle

its makes us unique tbh

its something neither AFL or union can match so im happy as is

A few upset wins The longer you bury your head in the sand the longer you'll continue to fail. 3 from 6 years and one of those there was no competition suggests that in the current climate you aussies oughta get your head out your ar$es and stop licking your tonsils

And there it is – one sentence which sums up the whole debate. An insular and small minded attitude

While you’re happy with Origin providing something to the Australian public that Union can’t match, Union will continue down their road of International competition and successfully market an inferior product because they have the vision to look outside of their small pond

If I didn’t love Rugby League so much I would just laugh off your small minded parochial attitude, as it happens it frustrates the hell out of me. But I do understand that trying to get through to you is an impossible task and you will continue with your lol’s and smiley faces and be content

if u love RL as much as you claim then you would love origin for what it is

something very special and which deserves the pedestal its on

Int RL has failed to match it

get rid of that chip on your shoulder trying to make RL like RU

id much prefer origin to the 6 nations anyday