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You still havent told me why im not allowed a cup of tea Barry?

Did you stay away cos you were a little embarrassed?

Why is the debate different from Cocaine to Caffeine, both enhance performance?

Which is on WADA's list? That might give you a clue as to why people think its irrelevant.

Passing something forward at Tesco's till isn't against the rules either, but it is on a rugby pitch.

I know it's stating the obvious but Hock did not get banned for taking Caffeine.

You introduced caffeine, if you want to discuss it, knock yourself out. If it's a pet subject of yours why not raise another thread where it can be discussed more thoroughly and you can merrily disappear into a frenzy of quotes and misdirection.

If anyone [i"bangs on about the irrelevancies"[/i it's you.

I'll give you a clue.

I went to the shop earlier and I purchased a can of Red Bull.

Quite legally.



Unless I was looking in the wrong aisle I didn't see any Cocaine for sale.

Because it's illegal.


Hope this helps.



If you would like to know the answers to any other confusing questions you might be pondering over right now such as "why does it hurt when my social worker punches me in the face out of sheer frustration" or "why does my carers car stop when it runs out of petrol" please feel free to ask me.

No....he should do his full time and accept it and then try and catch up fitness wise etc with the rest

^ Deliberatley trying to avoid the swear filter

I don't think you can criticise anyone for posts PHIPPS!

However, you could still fail a sports drugs test for having too much caffeine in your system – whether from a Red Bull, coffee or Pro Plus tablets.

Just as you could fail a drugs test for using an over-the-counter cold remedy.

The situation is currently ridiculous. Started as a proxy war in the Cold War, the issue of drugs in sport is totally out of control when consumption of a Lemsip would see you fail a test. It long ago (if ever) ceased to be about the health of the athlete and has become a sort of sports eats itself circle of craziness, with the testers always slightly behind the drug/masking producers (who are probably quite large companies, given the research etc needed – they're not just some bloke with a chemistry set in the garden shed).

The entire list should be scrapped completely and then we sit down and think out a rational and coherent approach to the issue.

On recreational drugs – slightly complex, since the cocaine could possibly improve performance. On the other hand, I'd leave something like a player using dope to their club as an internal disciplinary matter – since one would think it might do exactly the opposite of improving performance. As a slight aside, that then raises the question of booze: for a serious player in any sport to be drinking a great deal cannot be good for their performance – yet it appears that clubs (in various sports and to varying degrees) tolerate it.

Well, he's back (sort of). Seems he's been given clearance to train but the playing ban remains in place until 23rd June. No links as yet but this is from the RFL according to various tinternet sources.

Great news: great for Hock, great for Wigan, great for England, great that it's gonna upset loads of people.

So no other reason than someone somewhere else once said it was different?

You can't take the end of Terry Newton's life and use that as a reason not to punish those who take drugs, or the lengthy bans handed down to them. Them's the rules, the players all know that, and the risks when they take whatever they take.

If they want lenient bans for performance-enhancers, they should go to union...