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Quote: major hound "There certainly wasn't at P O Road in 2008, in the CC when Ben Thaler disallowed what appeared to be a perfectly good try by Featherstone agains Catalans. It occurred within ten yards of where I was standing, he disallowed the try but gave no signal as to why he was disallowing it, he just signalled play on. I still don't know today what was wrong with it. Fev were nowhere near the team they are today, but Catalan were looking very shakey and that try might have been the straw that broke the camel's back - we shall never know.'"


is Thaler the worst ref in SL at present ?

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Well, Catalans did themselves no favours with constant forward passes, niggly play and mouthing off at the referee today.

If they want to quit, fine with me.

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Quote: sanjunien "as a previous poster said, you can make stats prove anything you want

fact is that Catalans have had to play against the opposition plus the ref in all of the games i've seen this season at the GB

I can actually recall one incident when Mr Thaler missed an obvious forward pass by the Catalans to give them a crucial four points in the HKR game

two games, the Wires cup game and the Wigan game at Montpellier the Catalans were completely outplayed by the better team and deservedly lost but even then the reffing was appalling (for both sides)'"

If you honestly believe that the officials are biased against the French, I'd question why you bother with the sport anymore.

You've offered nothing to back up this opinion, yet have asked others to give evidence. You're only evidence is "I've been to more games than you". That doesn't cut the mustard.

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Quote: Houghtons Heroes "Well, Catalans did themselves no favours with constant forward passes, niggly play and mouthing off at the referee today.

If they want to quit, fine with me.'"

Is it though?

Ok, so there is this supposed issue with lack of numbers away from home. But the interest they have generated away from the hard core fans shouldnt be underestimated (although granted it not quantitive).

But enough fans still enjoy their away trip and they provide enough entertainiment to make me feel Dragons are part of the SL furniture now and should stay there.

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Quote: sanjunien "is Thaler the worst ref in SL at present ?'"


No , he is the worst EVER !!!!!!!!!!

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Quote: sanjunien "as a previous poster said, you can make stats prove anything you want

[i[sizefact is that Catalans have had to play against the opposition plus the ref in all of the games i've seen this season at the GB[/size[/i
I can actually recall one incident when Mr Thaler missed an obvious forward pass by the Catalans to give them a crucial four points in the HKR game

two games, the Wires cup game and the Wigan game at Montpellier the Catalans were completely outplayed by the better team and deservedly lost but even then the reffing was appalling (for both sides)'"


And probably 95% of fans of other clubs will say exactly the same about the performance of officials at their games. Get a life, you're not treated any better or worse than anyone else.

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Quote: Wellsy13 "If you honestly believe that the officials are biased against the French, I'd question why you bother with the sport anymore.

You've offered nothing to back up this opinion, yet have asked others to give evidence. You're only evidence is "I've been to more games than you". That doesn't cut the mustard.'"


yes, it's blatantly obvious and I am getting fed up with it - it's a long drive for me to watch SL games and i'm getting to the stage where I really can't be bothered - the LER is great entertainment with the general mix of reffing - some good some bad just like it is in the Championship probably but it usually evens itself come the end of the season. Toulouse in the LER is good entertainment, much more fun than the Championship years IMO - the general level of RL is inferior of course in the LER but it's more enjoyable for the punter - can't wait for the season to start

no, i've no proof to give you only what i've seen, it's becoming a joke ask other independant regulars to the GB, there are quite a few neutrals who travel long distances for the priveledge of watching SL - you can belive it or not, I don't give a monkeys mate - Guasch is capable of pulling out of SL and I for one wouldn't complain - as Robinson says, what's the point when the odds are stacked against you before you even kick off ?

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Quote: Hessle Roader "And probably 95% of fans of other clubs will say exactly the same about the performance of officials at their games. Get a life, you're not treated any better or worse than anyone else.'"


got a great life thanks and it's not in a dump overlooking the Humber or within spitting distance of Springbank fortunately !

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Les Cats can hardly claim exclusive rights over poor refereeing displays; we witnessed another one at BV this weekend, with Mr Alibert making some frankly mystifying and inexplicable calls against both sides. The latest moment of Uncle Albert comedy gold - Meli receives a pass that everyone in the stadium knew to be several metres forward, runs over the tryline then gives himself up by not even bothering to ground the ball; players and linesmen look to Mr Alibert in anticipation of him blowing up, who frantically waves for Meli to ground the ball, then gives the try - cue a melee of confused players and touchies, looking at each other in amazement.

I'd suggest that SL Head Coaches and Chairmen might be better served making a sensible presentation to the RFL about the overall poor quality of officiating with suggestions on how to improve, rather than individually claiming that their own team are being badly done to on purpose, a la Mike Rush after this weekend's closer than it should have been defeat to the mighty Trin.

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As said, the home fans of every club will tell you how biased the ref was against their team, but when the club management actually buy into the conspiracy in the cold light of day, it really is time for them to call it a draw. I entirely support their wish to retire and don't see what else they can do; the ultimatum seems to be "Stop the refs being biased against us or we go". As the refs are not biased against them, and obviously cannot change the way they referee, by definition, the demand is as impossible as it is mad.

It is all a shame as Catalan are a fine addition to the competition, but the madness is all down to them.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "As said, the home fans of every club will tell you how biased the ref was against their team, but when the club management actually buy into the conspiracy in the cold light of day, it really is time for them to call it a draw. I entirely support their wish to retire and don't see what else they can do; the ultimatum seems to be "Stop the refs being biased against us or we go". As the refs are not biased against them, and obviously cannot change the way they referee, by definition, the demand is as impossible as it is mad.

It is all a shame as Catalan are a fine addition to the competition, but the madness is all down to them.'"


or biased reffing....

I think they should and probably will jack in SL one day and concentrate on taking the french game to a higher level instead of wasting their cash getting ripped off in England

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Quote: sanjunien "or biased reffing....

I think they should and probably will jack in SL one day and concentrate on taking the french game to a higher level instead of wasting their cash getting ripped off in England'"


It isn't biased. Incompetent absolutely, but it isn't biased.

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Quote: sanjunien "got a great life thanks and it's not in a dump overlooking the Humber or within spitting distance of Springbank fortunately !'"



I'm sure you have a great life, but just a strange outlook on refereering. As I said all clubs say exactly what you say, so where's the bias.

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Quote: Hessle Roader "I'm sure you have a great life, but just a strange outlook on refereering. As I said all clubs say exactly what you say, so where's the bias.'"


When a coach as Trent Robinson who always blame the players and not the ref said : "If I was a French fan, I'd be disappointed. It’s not a feeling that decisions go against us – it is statistically weighted against us in the big games.
“The RFL need to do something. It better get better quickly.”

We can't help if YOUR referees are crap (as Uncle Alibert), we are not sure they're all biaised but we are sure some of them are.
Super league is turning in a total joke. The rules are not applicated at every game, that's what the great and beautiful England can offer? Be humiliated by shocking calls on SkySports at Perpignan? Read xenophobia comments on the internet? Show the long and suffering death of two clubs in two years?

Some people are sick of it now, and I'm not only talking about Catalans and French fans. But if you prefer our club leaving, don't worry, we will. When the French championship will be strong enough to host a team as Catalans. And you'll playing on your amazing M62 area with some others exciting cities to join the SL, with no French, and no Welsh. What a great self-sufficiency

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Conspiracy claims of bias are barking and just make no sense at all. Refs do seem to be getting worse, and Cummings doesn't seem to be having anything like a positive impact. What I think would help is that if Refs were allowed/encouraged to come out to the media and explain why certain decisions had been made (not Cummings doing anything he can to 'prove' the ref was right!) and their thought processes at the time, and holding hands up to say 'Yup, looking at the pictures we probably got that call wrong but at the time we thought this'.

I say this from experience of having lived over the road from an SL ref for a few years who was well known at the time for 'hating' my team. We used to chat about why he'd gave certain decisions that I'd disagreed with and it was always enlightening to see the other side of the story. I'd still sometimes disagree, but my respect for the guy shot right up after getting to know him and how he viewed a game.

I was also very wary of two refs, but having seen that working really well for a while, I think it's the way to go. I know we don't have enough to do it now, but it should be a stated aim and Cummings should have a plan as to how we get there. Pull your finger out Stuart!!

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