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| Quote maurice="maurice"Watkins is a shoe in, showing good form so far'"
To be fair Watkins has done ok . He does have all the attributes to be world class but he doesn't show them anywhere near often enough.
Currie can play second row or centre , and Percival deserves a run out at some point. He may now get a place on the wing if McGillvary gets a ban
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| Quote NickyKiss="NickyKiss"Bateman has proven size isn't an issue for him. He's making good ground with the ball and is tenacious in defence. He just isn't a centre. The much lauded Elliot Whitehead is bigger but is offering far less with ball in hand.'"
What damage would Bateman do whilst playing out wide in the back row against Australia or New Zealand?
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| The OP's team looks a damn sight more effective than Bennett's selections so far.
Never rated Hodgson, can't remember when Whitehead last had a decent game for England, and as for Heighington.......the less said the better. As for Gale, I think we need to persevere - he clearly is a decent player but not sure if Bennett knows how to get the best out of him. Whilst Sneyd can be predictable, he has a proven big game temperament - which seems to be lacking in Gale's skillset right now.
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| Quote Rhinos 22 Wigan 20="Rhinos 22 Wigan 20"Percival would get absolutely Annihilated against Australia or New Zealand
Bateman simply isn't big enough to play international rugby in the back row,that is why he was picked to play as a centre'"
Agree with this. As does the World’s most successful coach, Wayne Bennett.
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| Quote Rhinos 22 Wigan 20="Rhinos 22 Wigan 20"What damage would Bateman do whilst playing out wide in the back row against Australia or New Zealand?'"
He made plenty of ground last season against them and he did last week as well. He also had a superb game playing against a back row of Wade Graham, Luke Lewis and Paul Gallen over here in the WCC in Feb (with a busted shoulder).
He's never a centre but to write him off as an international back rower is way off imo. As I say he's producing far more statistically then a top NRL player in Elliot Whitehead.
Just to add some statistical context in regards to carries/meters-
Vs Australia
Bateman 19 carries for 152 metres
Whitehead 8 carries for 59 metres
Vs Lebanon
Bateman 11 carries for 118 metres
Whitehead 9 carries for 72 metres
Currie 14 carries for 136 metres
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| Maybe Bateman might end up not being big enough to play 2nd row at this level....but I'd rather try it first than just dismiss it without giving him the opportunity.
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| Nicky - Whitehead is playing more centrally than Bateman, and making a shedload more tackles. If you're going to try to use stats then at least be fair. Bateman's on line defence is poor IMO, but he may improve as he's not used to defending as wide as he is for England.
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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"Nicky - Whitehead is playing more centrally than Bateman, and making a shedload more tackles. If you're going to try to use stats then at least be fair. Bateman's on line defence is poor IMO, but he may improve as he's not used to defending as wide as he is for England.'"
I understand your point but Bateman has been running into the teeth of the defence throughout both games. It's not like he's been making easy metres with 50 metre line breaks so I think the comparison is a valid one. The point re: defence is a fair one but to level this up Whitehead has given away some stupid and costly penalties.
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| Quote BrisbaneRhino="BrisbaneRhino"Nicky - Whitehead is playing more centrally than Bateman, and making a shedload more tackles. If you're going to try to use stats then at least be fair. Bateman's on line defence is poor IMO, but he may improve as he's not used to defending as wide as he is for England.'"
One position in side?
Compare him to Currie then he's if needs be and leave Bateman out of the debate. He's been dreadful with ball in hand so far. His work rate with the ball is poor. I'm judging Whitehead against his billing. I keep getting told he's one of the best in the NRL and that's lads like Bateman, Currie, Farrell etc aren't in his class, so if that's the case I expect contributions in both attack and defence. I'm seeing lads like Frizzel, Gillet, Wade Graham, Currie, M'au etc do that so I don't think I'm expecting too much.
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| Quote Phuzzy="Phuzzy"I understand your point but Bateman has been running into the teeth of the defence throughout both games. It's not like he's been making easy metres with 50 metre line breaks so I think the comparison is a valid one. The point re: defence is a fair one but to level this up Whitehead has given away some stupid and costly penalties.'"
Exactly.
Bateman has been getting bashed for not passing to Hall and constantly running in side. It's because he's a back rower and he's playing like one.
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| Quote Brick with eyes="Brick with eyes"overrated as is Watkins'"

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| hmmmm, just trying to think who we can give you next time around, if we give you Craig Bellamy will you still bitch & moan?
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