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| Quote: Saint Simon "you could just read the rfl document.
but those that dont have the required attention span
the Championship salary cap will be raised to £900k.
This will put them within touching distance of the lower end of SL clubs who will be running around £1.2 mil or there abouts.
The question is which current championship clubs can afford that?'"
I think most if not all SL clubs are running at more than 75% cap. The reason we are reducing to 12 is because we can't sustain 14. But then aren't we spending that money even more thinly by bringing the championship clubs cap up (which we should do long term, but through extra revenue income) This is my biggest gripe, I don't think this system can be properly financed. As someone else mentioned, what if fax spend the 900k cap, but the relegated teams are Catalans, London, Salford and Cas. Not exactly bumper gates. Is the SL cap actually coming down or are we using the two relegated teams money to finance it? Still don't see how this is helping the game when the NRL is advancing at a rate of knots!
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| Quote: Bull Mania "I think most if not all SL clubs are running at more than 75% cap. The reason we are reducing to 12 is because we can't sustain 14. But then aren't we spending that money even more thinly by bringing the championship clubs cap up (which we should do long term, but through extra revenue income) This is my biggest gripe, I don't think this system can be properly financed. As someone else mentioned, what if fax spend the 900k cap, but the relegated teams are Catalans, London, Salford and Cas. Not exactly bumper gates. Is the SL cap actually coming down or are we using the two relegated teams money to finance it? Still don't see how this is helping the game when the NRL is advancing at a rate of knots!'"
The two shares (the relegated teams this year) in tv money aren't just being given to the super league clubs, rather split through the championship. The teams coming first and second in the championship will receive "at least 50% of a full super league share" (from the September review) - receive half the money, spend half the cap.
It doesn't specifically help. What happens to the top 8 will do that supposedly (though as I've said, what happens to youth development to clubs outside that top 8 is my major concern with this system)
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| From what l can gather, Salary Caps are made from Brown envelopes, a pair of scissors, and some stcky tape
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| Some clubs in the Championship are turning bigger profits that SL clubs.
Personally I think the cap is the wrong boat to float this on. It should be a break even cap, where profit and loss are rewarded and penalized.
Then clubs can spend within their ability.
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| Salary caps in UK sport are unnecessary fads.
I'd scrap the salary cap completely.
Replace it with clear and strict penalties for if an entity owning a club suffers an insolvency event. Eg go bust and you will be relegated to the bottom division. Also a limit on the number of players a club can have registered at any one time.
If the owner of Salford or anybody else wants to put money in to bring Billy Slater, Paul Gallen, Owen Farrell or anybody else to RL in this country, that would be great for the game.
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| Sadly the game is littered with clubs who can't be trusted. How would it look if the rfl had to kick out 3 or 4 clubs due to overspending, not to mention the gap between the haves and have nots would be massive and make 60-4 score line regular occurrences.
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| Quote: Mr Churchill "Salary caps in UK sport are unnecessary fads.
I'd scrap the salary cap completely.
Replace it with clear and strict penalties for if an entity owning a club suffers an insolvency event. Eg go bust and you will be relegated to the bottom division. Also a limit on the number of players a club can have registered at any one time.
If the owner of Salford or anybody else wants to put money in to bring Billy Slater, Paul Gallen, Owen Farrell or anybody else to RL in this country, that would be great for the game.'"
This sounds like the days just before SL was brokered by Uncle Mo, when the Mighty Wigan All Stars took the game to the brink and moved in with their footballing neighbours.
With the pressures of promotion and relegation many clubs will stretch themselves, either protecting top flight status or chasing the dream.
The round ball game has many examples and although the cap is nowhere near perfect, it does give some control.
The best way around this could be to exempt 1 or 2 players from the cap.
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| A logical way to operate a salary cap is to set it as a budget at 90/95 % of a clubs total income , forcing clubs to concentrate on increasing their income, and to be less dependant on the SKY money, increase your income be that by benefactor ' donation ' , not directors loan or preferably by ' earned ' income, and the following year you can spend more
Simple really
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| Always been against the salary cap and always will be.
We were told it would stop clubs going broke, which is hasn't. It was also mooted that it would create a "level playing field" which of course it can't and hasn't.
I see no purpose in it at all!
However, there has to be a counter balance to the likes of Koukash who would raid every other club for their best players to attain the best 25 squad in the League. My thoughts would be to have eight club trained players in the match 17.
At present it's 8 in the squad of 25, 8 in the 17 though would compell clubs to produce from their own area rather than rely on other clubs doing the scouting, training and development for them.
Also I'd reduce the club trained qualifying rule from 3 years by the age of 21 to 3 years by the age of 19. They need to re-introduce separate years again for U15s and U16s from the recent merger of those age groups.
We need more finance into the game but we need more quality players coming through to SL equally.
More money and more quality players are essential, the salary cap is irrelevent IMO.
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| Meanwhile, in other news...
Quote: "Premiership Rugby today confirmed that the Salary Cap for Aviva Premiership Rugby clubs will rise to £5 million from the start of the 2014-15 season. Clubs also have an unlimited allowance for one player who is excluded from the Salary Cap.'"
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| Quote: JB Down Under "Do any ch1 clubs have full time squads currently?'"
With a cap of £300k at the moment, it is not possible for any championsip club to be full time. Although at Fev we currently have four or five that are. Extra funding will enable us to increase that from next season and our major shareholder Feisal Nahaboo has already stated that Fev will have funds available to match the top end of the salary cap, whichever league we are in.
There is a lot of investment at Fev with the stadium development and a £350k centre of excellence. We are not standing still and waiting to be run into the gri=ound as some will suggest.
I suspect that similar things arehappening at Fax, Leigh, etc.
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| Quote: Father Ted "We need more finance into the game but we need more quality players coming through to SL equally.
More money and more quality players are essential, the salary cap is irrelevent IMO.'"
Whilst I might agree that the game needs more money and more quality players, I would suggest that the two aren't mutually exclusive. We might just end up paying more money for average players if the gene pool can't be significantly increased either through development or competing with NRL/RU for the best.
If we were to up the stakes on player recruitment, to raise the profile of the game, to attract that new investment it's a long hard road. If every team had a SBW or Billy Slater marquee signing do you think that that would 'do the trick'?
I have my doubts sorry to say I think our image issues and therefore our ability to pay run a bit deeper. Sure it would be great to watch week in week out, but, probably for 'the already converted'
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| Quote: Father Ted "Always been against the salary cap and always will be.
We were told it would stop clubs going broke, which is hasn't. It was also mooted that it would create a "level playing field" which of course it can't and hasn't.
I see no purpose in it at all!
However, there has to be a counter balance to the likes of Koukash who would raid every other club for their best players to attain the best 25 squad in the League. My thoughts would be to have eight club trained players in the match 17.
At present it's 8 in the squad of 25, 8 in the 17 though would compell clubs to produce from their own area rather than rely on other clubs doing the scouting, training and development for them.
Also I'd reduce the club trained qualifying rule from 3 years by the age of 21 to 3 years by the age of 19. They need to re-introduce separate years again for U15s and U16s from the recent merger of those age groups.
We need more finance into the game but we need more quality players coming through to SL equally.
More money and more quality players are essential, the salary cap is irrelevent IMO.'"
I'd be all for an 8/17 but at the moment there's only Wigan, saints and Leeds that could keep their current first choice 17 and do it. There might be one or two others but I can't think of any
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| Quote: fevrover40 "With a cap of £300k at the moment, it is not possible for any championsip club to be full time. Although at Fev we currently have four or five that are. Extra funding will enable us to increase that from next season and our major shareholder Feisal Nahaboo has already stated that Fev will have funds available to match the top end of the salary cap, whichever league we are in.
There is a lot of investment at Fev with the stadium development and a £350k centre of excellence. We are not standing still and waiting to be run into the gri
I was at PO Road a couple of weeks ago (we wont talk about the game ) and the new stands are looking really good and your club deserves some praise for moving forward in extremely testing conditions.
What is planned for the opposite end of the ground and do you think people will turn up in significantly higher numbers when it is finished.
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| One problem which has been overlooked in the past and is one of the reasons that few championship players have moved to SL that many players do not want to become full time. Given that most championship players have some kind of career and get paid for playing part time, becoming a full time player (even for a SL club) may involve minimal pay rise (if any) but a huge rise in career ending risk.
The benefits of being full time are mostly fitness, stamina and recovery. This is the reason why many championship clubs can compete in a single match (challenge cup of friendly) but little more.
You have to wonder with this being the case, will an increase in cap level for championship clubs provide significant playing benefit.
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