He's currently banging on about players not getting paid enough. Difficult arguement to try win in the climate where a lot of those who pay at the turnstile may have been made, or threatened with, redundancy in recent years.

That, and increased wages equals increased cuts for agents…

how does the average superleague player wage compare to average non RFU aviva premiership player?

Is there much difference?

Because rugby league hasn't got the same money to spend on top players, international rugby union ( the show piece) brings in massive revenue.

I think people should realise that rugby league is more club based game unlike union. Fans are more affiliated with the clubs they follow.

I pretty sure that lots of fans on the street and in twickenham who wear england tops dont follow the Union club game at all. The RFU just like other countries has managed to make international RU an event. People who dont even follow the sport go and watch the games.

I’d like to think that the grassroots game in Leeds is pretty good. It’s the RFL’s obsession with expansion that is draining this sports resources. You go and have a look how many London based Premiership teams there are – 5/6?

Then there’s all the Sydney based clubs in the NRL.

The reality is, most sporting businesses go where the fans are. But the super league just goes where little or no fans are. They wasn’t a single Hull team in the first Super League season and look at how well two of them are doing now.

The reality is that there’s many clubs (defunct or struggling) up north who could do with a financial injection (along with good management) and they’d thrive as a super league club. They’d get much more fans than you’d get at a Harlequins and Crusaders game.

We should aim for this, or we'll never be able to match wages for the top players.

What you meant to say was............let's go back to it being a local hobby. We were doing fine before sky got involved........let's just forget the bad things prior to 1995.......we were all watching rl played in packed out stadiums......the game want predictable at all.......

Really? And how do you propose to change the mindset of not only current loyal club fans but also the general non-RL supporting bystander?

Speak to a lot of RU fans they find RL slow and boring! Ironic I would say but then we have to accept this is how they see our game.

The international calander in Cricket, Union and other sports is much more packed than it is in League, we don't have a world wide interest in league that could enable the calander to be busier.

In any business or sport you have to stick to your strengths and for Rugby League that is a strong club based sport with plenty of inovative ideas and quirks to keep the fringe supporters happy.

Accept international RL is never going to be as big as other sports, dream as much as you like but many have tried and many more will fail.

Prior to 1995 rugby league had experienced bad times and good times. However they was a time when rugby league was more popular in Leeds than football. Even if we put all the money into the clubs that stood above Leeds United in some part of last century, it wouldn’t make rugby league rule again here. But it’d certainly bring the attendance numbers up.

Now you raise the point of sky TV. I think that Sky/Super League has no doubt saved the game in England. However here in 2011 we’re at a different era all together. Whilst I appreciate Harlequins – I think that Crusaders were a step too far. I just think that if we had a stronger professional heartland – it’d benefit the sport a lot more than the outposts we currently have in the shape of Crusaders and Harlequins. I’m not just talking about the Yorkshire and Lancashire heartlands either.

I’m sure that a stronger French heartlands would improve the super league tenfold too.

That's fair enough Nick but we'll watch some more top players move to union.

And we will also watch some top players stay in the game. I hope we do not see a mass exodus to Union because as much as it hurt against Warrington watching Myler breeze past our defenders with such ease was quite a sight, just like watching Tomkins becoming the player we all love to hate but would love our own little Sam!!

I think with the NRL and Union trying to poach all of our better youngsters we have to feel proud of how well our youth structures are even though they are heavily criticised by many in our sport. We do not have a strong youth league for our players to develop in and a lot of the time they are thrust into first team action too young but how good could our players be if we were able to iron out those issues? Now that is worth dreaming about!

Also look at the positives, players like Burrow, McGuire, Sinfield must have had offers or at least scouts looking at them from the Tykes. Those players stayed loyal to the sport and there is no reason why a large percentage of others will not. Eastmond is making the right choice for himself, the money is hard to turn down but at the end of the day has he gone too early? Hardly made a dent on the England set-up when he promised so much and now his below par performances are making him more of an enemy of the sport.

id take a strong club game over a strong int. game anyday

i wouldnt swap what RL has got for what RU has got on a world wide basis

It would be great if our international game could become more popular but I have no idea how to be honest. When England play Australia in the heartlands we still struggle to sell out the stadium.

I just think we have to accept that our game is more about the clubs. We have a strong club based game in Europe and Australia/NZ and this is a good thing.

You are wrong and obviously have no understanding of the games history then. You are using ignorance to justify the status quo and small mindedness.

When did the RL start the World cup and when did RU.

there are two problems for RL in regard to the international game

complete mismanagement of the international game by the RFL and the ARL. eg constanly changing riules competitions, no longer term workable strategy, ignoring overseas markets for too long.

The ARL has enough money to have a team in PNG ( even now most RL fans in this country would be happy to say goodbye to catalans and oppose Toulouse getting a franchise). a second NZ team would almost wipe out RU in NZ from a competitive point of view


they could quite easily set up semi pro teams in plces like samoa, fiji etc and then filter the best players into a pacific islanders joint team to give a professional career path.

When attempts to set things up they have been half d and planned ie PSG.

In this country trying to run before they can walk has destroyed the international game. having home nations instead of home nations and GB for big competitions undercut any possibility of having meaningful international matches.

People like you are those who will lead this game into terminal decline although i do accept that you are in the majority as the club vs country thread showed.

Most RL supporters are thick, parochial, one eyed numpties unfortunately. So i doubt that anything will change and we will be having these same debates in 20 years time at which point RL will cease to exist except as an amateur game or as feeders to RU teams. The only thing that saves RL at the minutes is RU is too focused on international stuff. But if they were to put their huge financial muscle into expanding RL ( in this country at least) they would wipe RL out. All this guff about the RL being the greatest game is , because at the end of the day Money talks. We cannot comptete without a radical sea change in RL attitudes.

By being competitive. You probably wont watch England vs France because it is too one sided. If England or better GB looked like they could give australia a game they might turn up.