and you are not

So!!!!

Leaguefan.. you moan and moan about Leeds' tactics yet the one thing that would sort this issue out is 2 referees. Lets get SL to the pace of the NRL using this system, it makes so much more sense

Can I ask you to elaborate on where you get this idea from please and what evidence you have to support it?

I cant belive im going to say this but Alibert isn't the worst ref in SL.
He was but he seems to be finding his feet others have gone backwards.

ONE referee is adequate. if it's good enough for SL and the international game, then it's good enough for the ockers.

Instead, more power should be devolved to the touch judges. What's to stop them looking for the offside, whilst the referee watches the PTB? They're miked up, so it's not as if they can't communicate, is it?

prior to 2 refs it was all chicken wings, and other wrestling moves and the game was becomming boring

the 2 seasons of 2 refs has returned to proper RL.

games in the past were being won by the best wrestlers, not the best footballers.

the nrl just got too fast for one ref.

the 2nd ref is now more like another touch judge, whats wrong with having another set of eyes to watch play

As a ref, I absolutely agree with this. There are already 3 pairs of eyes on the pitch. For me, the areas where I'm likely to miss things or make errors are twofold :

1) When I'm blindsided. Eg - the ball-carrier hits the deck with his back and a tackler between me and the ball. The ball comes loose. I have no way of knowing whether it's ripped or lost, so I always give lost on the grounds that it's the ball-carrier's responsibility to hold on to the ball. Some of those I must be getting wrong. On the rare occasions when touch judges are present, those errors vanish because there's someone watching the blindside.

2) At the PTB. The ref has to do two task at the PTB which require him to look in separate places : the PTB itself to watch for knock-ons, lazy arms etc, and the defensive line to check for offside. Long experience has told me that you have to watch the PTB when it's actually played. But that means you cannot effectively police offside unless you either happen to be right at the side of the pitch so you can see the whole line. Again, if I had a wired-up touchjudge wo could see the whole line, he can simply say "offside 4" in the earpiece, and I can go penalise the centre who's sneaked up on my blindside.

In all other cases, such as a melee on the field, you can call in your touch judges and consult to try and produce the most accurate picture.

Basically, this isn't rocket science. The ref can still retreat 10 metres, but keep his eyes fixed on the PTB knowing the touchies are keeping the players honest. The touchies also watch the tackle so that all angles are covered. I just don't see why we need an extra ref on the field.

What I don't understand is why the argument is that one ref couldn't police PTBs, but two can. If one ref is policing PTBs, what's the other one doing ? As I wrote above, the touchies are quite capable of policing offside.

There's a spare body involved here.

They should. Sometimes they do. From talking to folks who know the SL refs, some refs are more amenable to assistance than others.

But even if some refs choose to ignore offside advice from their touchies, it rather supports my point - we have enough eyes already to police offside. There's no reason for the ref not to be effectively policing the PTB. A second ref is simply duplicating what touchies can already do.

Refs dont get the dominant and surrender calls right 4 out of 5 times.
Rugby league in the UK is turning into the only sport where the attacker is trying to find the floor and a tackler is preventing this.. its backwards.

A second ref can police this so much better.

They do. By definition. And the fact that you disagree with them from the stands or your settee doesn't make it different.

I would imagine its the same as the officials in the round ball game.
My friend is a lino at championship level and he has told me more than once that some refs will say 'I want offsides only'.
Maybe just maybe if they get told enough to 'just stand there looking pretty' then that is all they will do even when they haven't been told to do that.

They don't and just because you're a moderator doesn't make it different.
James Graham gets away with 20 times a game EXACTLY why the NRL brought the rule in after the Storm.

Sorry, but the only incorrect calls with regards this that I've seen recently have occurred in the NRL. We even recently had one ref shout dominant whilst the other ref shouted play on. I've also seen dominant called regularly when the initial contact has not driven the player with the ball backwards but not in SL. I can pull the NRL refs up on so many things that people claim they have cleared up by having 2 refs that it would take pages and pages to go through them all. Let me give you an example, 2 refs on the field, plus 2 TJ's and a VR and less than 2 minutes into the game last Friday the ref incorrectly gives a ball steal. Really working that isn't it. Oh and that offer of sorting out a course for you still stands!!!