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| Would you see the problems that say someone writing racist abuse on Facebook brings or do you believe it shouldn't be taken down?
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| Quote: Seth "Would you see the problems that say someone writing racist abuse on Facebook brings or do you believe it shouldn't be taken down?'"
I believe they would lose friends on Facebook as a result and isolate themselves further if they were to post racists views. If they were threats then it should be reported to the authorities and dealt with as a threat.
You can’t change opinions through censorship, only education.
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| In my view if you allow racist language to be left on social media platforms and not censored then they don't just alienate themselves and lose a few friends they perpetuate racism and further it's growth. Your average dim witted racist feels more supported in their views and the ones teatering on racist crime start to believe that they're right in their beliefs and actions.
Maybe you can't change opinion by censorship but you can certainly cultivate more of the same views by leaving it out there. Especially in this day and age.
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| Quote: Seth "In my view if you allow racist language to be left on social media platforms and not censored then they don't just alienate themselves and lose a few friends the perpetuate racism and further it's growth. Your average dim witted racist feels more supported in their views and the ones teatering on racist crime start to believe that they're right in their beliefs and actions.'"
That's were education would be needed. By banning the use of certain words gives them power for the dim witted racist to use as a weapon, that’s just a theory IMO. Certain social media platforms are toxic bubbles anyway, to preach hate online about anything needs to be dealt with.
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| But you can't leave racist language on a social media platform or to be said without being censored and punished because that leads racism to be more of a social norm, something that's accepted. Education also exists in setting a precedent that it's unacceptable and censoring it.
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| Quote: post "
Why didn’t the player when the bloke said that turn around and say “What do you mean by that mate?”.'"
He did!!! Or at least told him it wasn’t acceptable to say what he did! And Argyles reaction was to laugh and hand him a drinks token.
Exactly as you say it COULD have been sorted there and then. But Argyle didn’t think he was worth an apology at the time. It was only when he got a bit of bad publicity he suddenly saw the error of his ways- funny that!
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| Quote: post "Why didn’t the player when the bloke said that turn around and say “What do you mean by that mate?” and then the bloke would have either apologised or put his foot in further '"
He said that what Argyle said wasn't acceptable and Argyle just laughed and gave him a drinks voucher......I'd classify that as putting his foot on it further, but you seem hell bent on allowing latent racism slide...........which in itself may not be 100% damning, but it's not shining your stance in a very good light on this matter.
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| Quote: Call Me God "He said that what Argyle said wasn't acceptable and Argyle just laughed and gave him a drinks voucher......I'd classify that as putting his foot on it further, but you seem hell bent on allowing latent racism slide...........which in itself may not be 100% damning, but it's not shining your stance in a very good light on this matter.'"
What I’m doing is playing devils advocate, not advocating casual racism. Argyle is Australian and over 50 and rich so to me that automatically says he’s going to be arrogant, brash and rude. And by playing devils advocate I’m asking if it’s being made out to be a lot worse than it was. My thoughts on Argyles comment was “What a f**ing d**k head” and then move on. Thinking him to be more
obnoxious than racist.
Not allowing casual racism but it’s going down the political correctness route whereby people will stop speaking to other people who are not of the same sex, race, age, religion for fear of upsetting them with a ham fisted throw away comment not meant to cause offence but offence was taken. By going down that route all you do is sow more division because people don’t speak to each other (different races/religions/sexual orientation), don’t become friends, people fear what they don’t understand and hate what they fear so drives the racism, sexism, ageism wedge further into society and we become less tolerant as a result. Would you agree?
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| Quote: post "Not allowing casual racism but it’s going down the political correctness route whereby people will stop speaking to other people who are not of the same sex, race, age, religion for fear of upsetting them'"
This stuff never bothers me, because I'm not in the habit of 'accidentally' saying racist, sexist or misogynistic things; so I can speak to all those scary categories of people you mentioned, without fear of causing offence. It's much easier than this mythical "you have to watch what you say nowadays" outrage - which seems to come from people who want to preserve their right to say offensive and hurtful things, with no repercussions.
Just don't be a dick - it's pretty easy when you try.
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| Quote: bren2k "This stuff never bothers me, because I'm not in the habit of 'accidentally' saying racist, sexist or misogynistic things; so I can speak to all those scary categories of people you mentioned, without fear of causing offence. It's much easier than this mythical "you have to watch what you say nowadays" outrage - which seems to come from people who want to preserve their right to say offensive and hurtful things, with no repercussions.
Just don't be a dick - it's pretty easy when you try.'"
Yeah, don’t be a dick is good advice. Probably good to tell that Argyle fella.
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| Quote: Hasbag "I'll just get it out the way first and say that it was wrong to say what he did, no matter how tongue in cheek he thought it was.
But I can't help but feel the backlash from fans would have been so much less if it was the other round and the Swinton chairman had made the comment to a Toronto player. People had a chip on their shoulder over Toronto the moment the club was announced and a lot of people are just rubbing their hands together at the thought of them failing. To me, Argyle has issued an apology (and even tried calling the player to apologise) and a suitable fine should be given and then end of story. I can't see the people who are demanding action against the whole club (and I've seen mention on here and also facebook about giving them points deductions) doing the same if it was the Swinton chairman. I bet a lot of people couldn't wait to get on the internet when this news broke for another round of Toronto bashing.'"
Nonsense. If a chairman of a 'heartlands' club had made the comments, he would rightly have been condemned. This isn't an argument of 'Expansion vs Flatcappers', it's right v wrong. And his comments were by his own admission, unacceptable.
The biggest disgrace of this is seemingly lack of action when first reported. He should've been fined pretty quickly after it was reported, which in addition to an apology could've been the end of it.
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| Argyle is minted . The only way the RFL could learn him a lesson is points deduction . Which they won’t do , not even sure if they could legally do this .
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| Anyone apologising for Mr Argyle is part of the problem.
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| Quote: My Mate Ronnie "Argyle is minted . The only way the RFL could learn him a lesson is points deduction . Which they won’t do , not even sure if they could legally do this .'"
Costing him money might not have much impact on him, but costing him his time would. Any sort of action that leads to him having increased awareness of racism, unconscious bias etc... will be much more productive than a points deduction.
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| Quote: Willzay "Anyone apologising for Mr Argyle is part of the problem.'"
Indeed.
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