I must admit I won't be admitting wakey are world beaters just yet.

Am I, strand but all I ever read from Hull fans slagging him off from when he was head coach.

In fairness to you lot a lot of Wakey fans did the in his last season with us - chill out a bit and don't take it so person, your not a Leeds fan.

Got to admit I won't lose any sleep at that revelation.

As it happens neither do I but then I don't think any of the current SL teams are on a par with the NRL this year.

Tragic really because last years SL was one of the best ever imho yet we'd still managed to fall further behind.

1 Saints
2 Rhinos
3 Hull FC
4 Tigers
5 Wolves
6 Warriors
7 Wakefield
8 Giants


9 Dragons
10 Hull KR
11 Widnes
12 Salford

GF Winner Rhinos
CC Winner Saints

I must apologise unreservedly if i have underestimated the tetchiness of your feelings towards your club and how highly that you regard them that clearly isn't replicated in my predictions for 2018

No offence is intended and at the end of the day these are just my predictions

I haven’t taken anything personally. As far as I can see, jk is highly thought of throughout the game, including Hull fans.
There does appear to be an element of hyperbole to your posts on this thread. You argue with one Leeds fan, so decide to label all there fans as arrogant. One Hull fan mentions that jk is a great assistant, suddenly all Hull fans never rated him.
It would be alot easier to converse with you if you attacked the post, not the poster and his team

SL last year was a poor standard as was the year before that, I hope it greatly improves this year. Vastmans assertion that it was one of the best ever is astounding.

Why I have a go is because you and SOME other Wakey fans have a go at other bigger more successful teams and for some reason cry foul when you get some stick back. You can say Saints and Wigan had bad seasons but god forbid someone says Wakey won't finish in the Top 6...jumped all over.

The reason I criticise Wakefield fans opinions on here is because A, Wakey fans are dominating most threads on the VT lately (if it isn't them demanding respect it's Leigh fans having a go about Toronto and expansion)

"Oh a Leeds fan doesn't like us doing well and upsetting the established order"......I couldn't give a flying F who is in the top 4 next year as long as Leeds are one of them. In fact I'd rather have a Wakey and Cas over Wigan and Saints given we saw what playoff experience means back in October:

The VT is getting dominated by Wakey fans lately because they had a decent season. This has lead to SOME of their fans getting cocky. You think Leeds and Wigan fans don't criticise each other? You think Saints and Wire fans only say nice things to one another?

Only in the delusion Red, White and Blue world of Wakefield can they slag off other more successful clubs and then cry foul when they get some stick back, which apparently is unacceptable because they finished 5th last season.

The irony of Wakey fans having a pop at fans of bigger clubs for having an "ego" when they've started talking like champions off a 5th placed finish is embarrassing and laughable:

So if you want to know why I criticise Wakefield fans, it's because you do the exact same to other more successful clubs. Can't take it, don't dish it out.

VT lately

Someone predicts Wakefield to finish outside the top 6....Wakey fans gets upset

Someone picks an Exiles team with no or limited Wakey players.....Wakey fans get upset

Someone criticises the new Wakey home shirt....Wakey fans get upset

Same BS every time and it's embarrassing but there fans just put it down to "jealously" which is even more embarrassing.

You do know in vastman's world he is never wrong.

No it isn't astounding to those who understand the game - it is astounding to those who's want a top four set in stone.

What upsets some fans of some clubs is that other teams refused to accept there given slot and decided to play. This gave clubs like Leeds, Saints and Wigan the shock of a lifetime. Suddenly they were not being allowed to parade around the pitch unchallenged. Worse still two clubs Cas and to a degree Wakefield were playing some of the most attractive RL seen in years. Don't believe it, watch both clubs highlights. On the other hand Hull provided the muscle and the power and of course the skill.

The only way these arrogant over entitled fans could cope with this was the sad and tired old trick of pretending they were poor and by definition so was everyone else.

Pathetic - absolutely pathetic.

Predicting a big year for Catalans Dragons. Why?

1. Speedster David Mead at full back.
2. Powerful hooker rotation with Michael McIlorum and Paul Aiton.
3. Young Lucas Albert blooming in the halves alongside Luke Walsh.
4. Powerful rotation of No 13 between Gregory Bird and Jason Baitieri.
5. Great "Benjamin" defenses in the second row with French stars Benjamin Garcia and Benjamin Jullien.
6. Vigorous prop forward options with Sam Moa, Remi Casty, Julien Bousquet, Mickael Simon and Antoni Maria (4 out of 5 French).
7. Three powerful wing options in Jodi Broughton, Fouad Yaha and Lewis Tierney.

The only question mark is in the centres. While Brayden WIlliame is in penetrating attacking form, Vincent Duport has passed his use by date and Ian Thornleigh is unimpressive.
However if Anthony Gigot was to win his appeal against a two year ban he would add superior class to that position.

Overall this team is strong enough to ensure a top 8 and possibly even top 4 position.

Dont forget Salford for 2/3's of the season.

And half a dozen injuries and yer fecked Jeanie.

Come off it Vasty. Whilst I accept that your optics might be slightly different, given that most Wakefield fans will agree that they've spent more than a few years watching dross, I think you're clutching at straws to argue that on the basis of Castleford and Wakefield having very good seasons, the standard of the league and the quality of the league is improving.

We're losing much of of our top talent because of our inability / unwillingness to pay them their worth, and we're replacing that lost talent with inferior players. We've lost good, young talent like the Burgess brothers, Graham, Hodgson and Whitehead to the NRL - and we haven't been able to replace them with players of equal or greater ability.

We're producing less home-grown talent than we used to, and that invariably impacts the quality that can go around.

We're not attracting the quality of overseas talent that we were 10/15 years ago - the days of recruiting box office talent of the calibure of Renouf, Barrett, Vainikolo, Albert, Gidley or Lauitiiti (in their prime) are long gone.

Feel free to argue away, but I don't think you'll convince anyone that the standard of play, that the quality of talent that we're seeing week in, week out is improving in the context of those three important factors. At the end of the day, supporters will judge the standard with their wallets and the reality is that for the last three seasons, we've been playing in front of fewer and fewer of those supporters.

You can go ahead and convince yourself that people pointing out a decline of standards are simply "fans of big clubs who don't like being roughed up by the small clubs" as much as you like, but that doesn't make it the case.