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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"So which document do you have a problem with? The one he wrote in 2001 which began year on year on year growth in pretty much all aspects of the game, taking a governing body which was very nearly bust after the 2000 WC to one which produces regular surpluses despite handing out more funding than ever before to all constituent parts of the game? The one he ordered top lawyer and member of the RFL board and board of the largest sports club in the entire world Maurice Watkins to write? What are your specific issues with the 2008-2013 5 year strategic plan? Whats your beef with the Community Facilities strategy?'"
How did it go, that 5 year plan? Did they deliver? If so, was it a good plan?
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"I disagree with your premise. I think the Championships are a vibrant competition and they are worth winning in their own right.'"
You attend games ?
So ' Vibrant ' the clubs have voted to move their finals to Halifax and Leigh as opposed to higher profile neutral venues ?
Are they any more ' Vibrant and worth winning ' than they were in 2008 ? , when Mr Wood suggested they needed to become so ? , and if they are how ?
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| Quote RLBandit="RLBandit"How did it go, that 5 year plan? Did they deliver? If so, was it a good plan?'"
So you dont already know? Which would mean that you were simply complaining for the sake of complaining.
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"You attend games ?
So ' Vibrant ' the clubs have voted to move their finals to Halifax and Leigh as opposed to higher profile neutral venues ?
Are they any more ' Vibrant and worth winning ' than they were in 2008 ? , when Mr Wood suggested they needed to become so ? , and if they are how ?'"
What is your objective criteria for vibrancy and how are you measuring the worth of winning?
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"What is your objective criteria for vibrancy and how are you measuring the worth of winning?'"
Have clubs increased attendances and income streams via increased attendances and sponsorship ?
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| Im not sure that i would agree. But on the point about attendances and sponsorship, im not sure about the sponsorship, from memory it is higher than 2008.
As for attendances, no they arent as high as they were back then, but the vast majority of that drop is down to the fact SL has expanded and the two (by a fair old way) best supported sides have moved up, and 4 less well supported teams have been promoted, which of course would bring down the average.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Im not sure that i would agree. But on the point about attendances and sponsorship, im not sure about the sponsorship, =#FF0000from memory it is higher than 2008. As for attendances, no they arent as high as they were back then, but the vast majority of that drop is down to the fact SL has expanded and the two (by a fair old way) best supported sides have moved up, and 4 less well supported teams have been promoted, which of course would bring down the average.'"
Which sponsorship do you refer to ? , the Co oP to the makers of ' frosty jack mega strong Cider ' ?
SKY obviously dont agree with you as they dumped the TV coverage during that time , Yes we lost Salford , but i was reffering to the last five years since , and yes Widnes despite their on pitch failure were the best supported club , however they still didn't make up the differences presently being seen
And as I said , Mr wood said he wanted the Championships to BECOME ' Vibrant and worth winning ' , and again I ask , what has he and the RFL actually done to achieve that ?
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"I disagree with your premise. I think the Championships are a vibrant competition and they are worth winning in their own right.'"
And again , do you attend Championship matches ?
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"I disagree with your premise. I think the Championships are a vibrant competition and they are worth winning in their own right.'"
Would you like to supply some objective criteria that brings you to this conclusion ?
And why you think it has become more so in the last 5 seasons ?
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Quote SmokeyTA="RLBandit"How did it go, that 5 year plan? Did they deliver? If so, was it a good plan?'"
So you dont already know? Which would mean that you were simply complaining for the sake of complaining.'"
I've already explained why I'm complaining - see comments on their published "strategic aims". If you really want a full deconstruction of the 5 year plan ( a strategic management technique that went out with Stalin by the way) I will do when I have time, but since you never answer a question, perhaps you could take two minutes to outline why their 'strategic aims' are something other than embarrassing, amateurish, lets-preted-we're-real-businessmen waffle.
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| Quote Starbug="Starbug"Quote Starbug="SmokeyTA"I disagree with your premise. I think the Championships are a vibrant competition and they are worth winning in their own right.'"
Would you like to supply some objective criteria that brings you to this conclusion ?
And why you think it has become more so in the last 5 seasons ?'"
Good luck getting an answer out of him!
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| Quote RLBandit="RLBandit"I've already explained why I'm complaining - see comments on their published "strategic aims". If you really want a full deconstruction of the 5 year plan ( a strategic management technique that went out with Stalin by the way) I will do when I have time, but since you never answer a question, perhaps you could take two minutes to outline why their 'strategic aims' are something other than embarrassing, amateurish, lets-preted-we're-real-businessmen waffle.'"
 You have been caught out. Give it up, its not going to fool anyone.
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