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Quote: JB Down Under "Don't the RFL own Odsal? Shouldn't the naming rights money be going to them?'"

Nope Bradford council own odsal. The naming rights are covered by our lease with the RFL.

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Quote: Durham Giant "Only if you are idiotic enough to think that a casino or a beer company is the same as canvassing on a council estate and persuading the poor , vulnerable and desperate to take out loans at massive rates of interest is the same. '"

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Are you saying that your real name is actually Durham Giant? If so either you were very unlucky or your parents were very uninspired in their choice of names for their baby.
For a start, it's not HIM, it's Him and its a Cannonball Run reference, but only a complete idiot wouldn't understand that.

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Quote: Him "For a start, it's not HIM, it's Him and its a Cannonball Run reference, but only a complete idiot wouldn't understand that.'"


Ahhh, the inimitable Dom DeLuise as [i"Captain Chaos"[/i

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There was a time when sponsors of RL were attracted to the sport as a marketing tool in order to target C1/C2 and D demographics.

May I take this opportunity to congratulate Super League on relegating the sport to a level of sponsorship where the target demographic is 'E'.

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Quote: Durham Giant "You are David Cameron and i claim my £5.
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Next you will be telling us you are one of the deserving disabled as opposed to those scroungers who are not disabled and should not get benefits.

Its good to genralise isnt it'"


Completely missed the point of my post there. Lovely stuff.

I don't take a single penny off the state, not that its any of your business. And yes, there are thousands of scroungers who falsely claim disability benefits when there is nothing wrong with them. I'm not sure what relevance that has to anything though.

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Quote: Dreamer "Ahhh, the inimitable Dom DeLuise as [i"Captain Chaos"[/i

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



The "preying on people who are desperate" argument is one that I don't really buy on this one. If you are genuinely "desperate", then you'll look for the money you need from any source necessary - legal or otherwise.

On that basis, is it preferable for people who are hell bent on borrowing what they need to borrow from 'Dodgy Den's Kneecappers' or from an FSA regulated and licensed lender?

In an ideal world, there would be no need for these types of 'sub prime' lenders but that is an issue that goes far beyond Rugby League and Bradford Bulls - It's an issue that starts with financial education, industry regulation and a change in consumer culture towards debt. Changing the name of Odsal doesn't change any of that.

And looking at some of Provident's APRs, they don't seem that much worse than various leading banks who charge fees in the region of £40 for a £10 unauthorised overdraft. Would this debate be raging if Bradford had attracted Barclay's, Standard Chartered or RBS?

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Quote: JB Down Under "For main sponsor rights AND stadium naming rights 300k a year doesn't sound that great a deal, or is that how low SL clubs are valued at the moment?'"


I actually don't think it's that big a deal.....it's 20% of the size that Sarries got for exactly the same offering, shirts and stadium.

Puzzles me when RL clubs and the comp itself struggle to find sponsors...the product itself is family friendly and reasonably priced, gets very good TV ratings and next year will be in the limelight with the RLWC.

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www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... _Doorstep/

this is the BBC documentary about Bradfords new sponsor.
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 ... _Doorstep/

this is the BBC documentary about Bradfords new sponsor.


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Quote: Durham Giant "stick to supporting your club rather than trying to pretend you know about the realities of the loans.

These companies lend to to the mentally and emotionally ill, the desperate, the unemployed, those on benefits, those who lead difficult and hence chaotic lives. The result is that the loan maybe taken out as a short term loan but when they cannot keep up with payments, or miss a payment and pay penalty fees at the loans often go on for months or YEARS after they should have finished.

If is was a Bulls fan i may have to accept that the company gave a desperate club the money BUT i would not buy the shirt and advertise such an awful company.

I look forward to a tie up with ASSAD enterprises and see if Bulls fans stil want to look the other way.'"


eusa_clap.gif It's amazes me what some so called RL fans will accept and defend if it suits there agenda. These people are crooks and anyone who can't see that is in utter denial.

As for Bradford taking the money, why not - at least it's better than pinching it off their own fans.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "The "preying on people who are desperate" argument is one that I don't really buy on this one. If you are genuinely "desperate", then you'll look for the money you need from any source necessary - legal or otherwise.

On that basis, is it preferable for people who are hell bent on borrowing what they need to borrow from 'Dodgy Den's Kneecappers' or from an FSA regulated and licensed lender?

In an ideal world, there would be no need for these types of 'sub prime' lenders but that is an issue that goes far beyond Rugby League and Bradford Bulls - It's an issue that starts with financial education, industry regulation and a change in consumer culture towards debt. Changing the name of Odsal doesn't change any of that.

And looking at some of Provident's APRs, they don't seem that much worse than various leading banks who charge fees in the region of £40 for a £10 unauthorised overdraft. Would this debate be raging if Bradford had attracted Barclay's, Standard Chartered or RBS?'"


FSA and Regulated, now there is a contradiction in terms if ever there was!

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: vastman "

So would you be happier with a deal involving Barclays, who have been at the centre of one of a huge rate manipulation scandal? What about an agreement with Standard Chartered - you know, those who were involved in $250bn worth of laundering deals with Iran? Maybe a deal with RBS, who needed £45bn of government support, could be on the cards? Or perhaps Bradford could have struck up a deal with someone like HBOS or Northern Rock - the sorts of businesses that pushed 110% mortgages and encouraged people into years - even decades - of negative equity?

Oh, and then there is pretty much every other high street bank that charges excessive fees and charges for exceeding overdrafts by nominal amounts.

There are a hell of a lot of reasons why the likes of Provident, Wonga and the like are thriving - and Bradford Bulls are not one of them. What I do know is that it isn't Bradford Bulls' or the RFL's place to decide what business models are right and which ones are wrong.

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[quote:18jc6kzm]I wish everyone would read bramleyrhino's post two or three times just to get it through some thick skulls[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote:18jc6kzm]Mr bramleyrhino speaks a lot of sense.[/quote:18jc6kzm] [quote="Jamie Jones-Buchanan":18jc6kzm]"I'd never forgive myself if a child of mine was born in Lancashire.[/quote:18jc6kzm]:1506.jpg



Quote: vastman "FSA and Regulated, now there is a contradiction in terms if ever there was!'"


But the point stands. If someone is desperate enough to need to use a doorstep or payday lender, they'll go to whatever lengths necessary to get the money they need. In that situation, surely it is better for someone to use a licenced, approved lender rather than the tattooed skinhead with the baseball bat in the boot of his car?

Ban the likes of Provident and Wonga all you like, but you've got the small matter of what to do with their customers.

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Quote: gutterfax "Puzzles me when RL clubs and the comp itself struggle to find sponsors...the product itself is family friendly and reasonably priced, gets very good TV ratings and next year will be in the limelight with the RLWC.'"


When you see the kind of reaction to sponsors shown in this thread?

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Quote: William Eve "There was a time when sponsors of RL were attracted to the sport as a marketing tool in order to target C1/C2 and D demographics.

May I take this opportunity to congratulate Super League on relegating the sport to a level of sponsorship where the target demographic is 'E'.'"


Seek power, William. Then, you can prohibit the underclasses from borrowing money, and get your wish that they not be attracted to, or permitted to attend, sporting events.

God forbid that the hoi polloi should be allowed in Odsal to taint your air, eh? No sir, we don't want to attract the likes of them. Keep the buggers down, what?

It was much better last year when we were "targeting C1/C2 and D demographics". Yes, I remember it well. Made a packet there, as I recall. Or we may have gone tits, can't remember which.

Fookin snob poseur.

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