We will never win anything with the likes of McGuire and Burrow as half backs. We need to take the plunge Identify up and coming half back talent that is breaking through (e.g. Eastmond, Smith, Wheeler at saints to name but 3) and put them in the England squad. We will be embarassed anyway but why not use that embarassment to build for the future. Look at what it has done for Roby and Graham, they are up there with the best at an early age and IMHO it was throwing them in the deep end that helped their progression.

Finally Peacock never will be a good captain in my opinion. He is a workhorse and not a leader. You need to delegate as a leader and when things get tough Peakcock only know one way and thats to take it head on himself, unfortunatly sport and life rarely work like the movies.

Shock horror the answer is 3 Saints players



McGuire and Burrow kicked your ass in the last 2 grand finals. They are champion players

Gregory maybe but Edwards just profited from other peoples hard work.

Watch some wigan season in review videos from 1990-1995 and come back and tell me that again. Best half back of the last 20 years as I said with the possible exception of Gregory. Edwards was one of the last true great visionaries on the rugby field...The closest players in the modern game to get anywhere close are your austrailian players of barrett, orford, lockyer,thurston etc...theres no british player come close in the last 20 years

Long, Briers, Goulding.

Now THATS sig material. He's not even the best half wigan have had in 20 years.

You should read what I put specifically. 'TO NAME BUT 3' I am sure there are amny other in other clubs just I watch saints week in week out.

So it was McGuire and Burrow that kicked our ass. Hmmm Sorry but think not but you keep thinking that.

I think McGuire & Burrow have been two of our better players the last few years. Englands problems are the FB and the 3/4s

If McGuire and Burrow have been 2 of our best players in recent times(and it's probably true) it shows how average we truely are because the both of them have been no better then that.

We really do need a freshen up for this quad nations.

If Gregory and Edwards were so good and Edwards apparently better than most of his Australian counterparts.......


How come neither won a series against Oz?
I see the posts about the hard uncompromising forwards that were around in the eighties and early nineties and the "World class" backs like Offiah, Edwards, and Lydon and what did they win?

Far more games then this current bunch have done?

During the days of Hanley, Edwards, Schofield etc we were at least always competative but not anymore.

When the Aussies can be bothered turning up against us anymore they'll always put at least 30-40 points on us until we start to produce better players.

Your comparing a Subaru with a ferrari there mate. Players like long briers and goulding are cheap imitation sports cars compared to the real deal and players of edwards' calabre