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"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection." 23/08/2014:



Quote: Starbug "Mmmmmmmmmmmm , well I'm looking , but I cant see a solution in this post

Or is everything hunky dory as far as you are concerned ?'"


I didn't offer nor suggest a solution.....this thread isn't called 'Old Printer's at it again'.

It's about Peacock's idea which I suggested flaws in and you appeared to defend at first, then suddenly said you don't and then challenged a contest of solutions even though I never boasted or claimed to have one. Strange behaviour indeed.

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kcab sfrawdder Luck is a combination of preparation and opportunity Just to avoid confusion Starbug is the username of Steven Pike SOMEBODY SAID that it couldn’t be done But he with a chuckle replied That “maybe it couldn’t,” but he would be one Who wouldn’t say so till he’d tried. So he buckled right in with the trace of a grin On his face. If he worried he hid it. He started to sing as he tackled the thing That couldn’t be done, and he did it!:9005.jpg



Quote: ThePrinter "I didn't offer nor suggest a solution.....this thread isn't called 'Old Printer's at it again'.

It's about Peacock's idea which I suggested flaws in and you appeared to defend at first, then suddenly said you don't and then challenged a contest of solutions even though I never boasted or claimed to have one. Strange behaviour indeed.'"


So you disagree with 2 tens , but can offer nothing better ? , fair enough

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Quote: christopher "Im a permanent resident, so I can go back when I want if thats alright with you?

As for the rest of your post - I can see why you've integrated well with the Australians.

As for whining there is a real sense of irony when any Australian accuses an English person of whinging, they are the world leaders in it.'"



How are you a permanent Resident if you live in England? that is a contradiction in terms.

To be a permanent resident you have to live in the Country and have to have a re entry Visa in your passport to return.
You are either an Australian National or not.

By the way, being English is not a race its a Nationality, the Race is Caucasian.

Stay in England Chris, you and Australia will be happier.

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I have a permanent residency visa which strangely I was granted after I move back to the UK, I can apply for a re-entry visa every five years I believe as long as I have interest in Australia (my wife is Australian so all her family live there).

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You only need to make the SL2 big enough so that the players are full time, full professionals with good levels of fitness and full day to day training.
The money needs to filter into that league, surely SKY would see the long term benefit of investing a little bit more money into the game.

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Quote: christopher "I have a permanent residency visa which strangely I was granted after I move back to the UK, I can apply for a re-entry visa every five years I believe as long as I have interest in Australia (my wife is Australian so all her family live there).'"


Fair enough.
Your Australian Wife is your connection.

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Quote: Horatio Yed "You only need to make the SL2 big enough so that the players are full time, full professionals with good levels of fitness and full day to day training.
The money needs to filter into that league, surely SKY would see the long term benefit of investing a little bit more money into the game.'"


Ultimatley it is down to SKY, just as every major proffessional sporting competition is underpinned by mostly pay per view television

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Full professionalism beyond the top league is the aim really, then a lot of these academy guys have viable options rather than duel reg and bit part roles waiting for the principle guys to retire.

I always wonder in players like Briers are only as good as they are because they played in teams that were garbage and had to take a lead role and effectively 'mature' beyond their years.

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Briers is a good player and even better player now he is of the booze and taking it seriously

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Quote: Horatio Yed "Full professionalism beyond the top league is the aim really, then a lot of these academy guys have viable options rather than duel reg and bit part roles waiting for the principle guys to retire.'"


Is there, or has there, ever been enough money for full professionalism? I'm not sure there is. Not everyone who wants to be, or thinks they are good enough, is worth a professional contract. Maybe Peacock can try explain that to some of his members. Sport owes no-one a living, much like any other business.

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Aye lad. Like many places in the world it has its ups and downs. What people often mean is "it has nicer, warmer weather as a rule". Take warm weather out of the equation and what else?

Personally I can't see how you can seriously argue that quality of life is "better" in Australia, we have such a rich variety of old, new, city, country, hills, dales, lakes, coasts, rich heritage etc etc etc and given that I actually prefer a huge variety of weather to hot-hot-hot, that sort of clinches it.

It was funny when Leon said he preferred Blackpool to Bondi. But why on earth not? OK a few steps off the mile, Blackpool is a rough place but then that wasn't the criterion. Unless you're a sun obsessive and love being packed on a too hot beach like sardines, Blackpool actually beats Bondi into fits. It has character. A tower. Piers. And they have donkeys.'"


Coming from someone who lives and grew up in Blackpool your wrong.

Its a declining dirty, crime ridden town full of dregs, druggies and alcoholics mixed in with some decent folk.

I really cant stress how bad it is now. If you want an idea what 999 whats your emergency on 4on demand.

As a rule 3/4 of the town is like what is shown on that show.

Anyone saying they would rather be here than Aus must be mad.

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Quote: t-r-i-n-i-t-y "Is there, or has there, ever been enough money for full professionalism? I'm not sure there is. Not everyone who wants to be, or thinks they are good enough, is worth a professional contract. Maybe Peacock can try explain that to some of his members. Sport owes no-one a living, much like any other business.'"


I agree, that's the reason i said it should be 'the aim'.

I know sky owe us nothing and are a business like any other but if the RFL went with the two 10 team leagues and Sky were prepared to invest in both leagues i think it would benefit the game massively in the long run.

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The sport has to know what it is trying to achieve by having 2 x 10 team leagues.
It appears that they wish to create a top flight where all teams are capable of beating each other and they each game has a higher level of intensity than at present.
IMO the second tier is just sugaring the pill for the teams that would be axed and far from improving the situation, very quickly the second tier will become like the CC is today aside from the fact that we may have promotion and relegation between the divisions.
Will sky stump up extra cash to fund this system and if it does, will the greedy teams in the new super, super league allow this to be shared in a sensible manner.
The answer to this question is, probably not.
Lets face it, one of the main reasons that the big boys want a 10 team top flight, is to allow them a larger slice of the sponsorship revenue and if there was an additional league to fund, this extra cash would not be available.

Back to Peacocks comments, he really should be looking after all of the players interests and not just working towards the top few getting more.
There are other ways of doing this and a change to the salary cap seems to be a more sensible option.

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Quote: Horatio Yed "I agree, that's the reason i said it should be 'the aim'.

I know sky owe us nothing and are a business like any other but if the RFL went with the two 10 team leagues and Sky were prepared to invest in both leagues i think it would benefit the game massively in the long run.'"


The big negative for me, unless JP knows different, is that there is no reason to think Sky have any intention of funding any extension of SL; why would they? The last time SL increased it was done by each of the original clubs accepting less money, IIRC.

Sky have not shown any great interest in showing Championship games [which is pretty much what any SL2 would be], so, I think to suggest that they would suddenly pay sufficient extra cash to enable them to go full time is fanciful, to say the least. What there is little doubt about, is that without some 'extra' funding, the idea of a [ifull time[/i div2 is just pie in the sky.

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I'm not that aware of most sports competitions, but are there actually any competitions that have the NRL-style equality of playing strength, big variance of finishing positions year on year; and also has a promotion&relegation structure?

The two don't seem intuitively reconcilable to me.

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