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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Quote SmokeyTA="Rock God X"That's just silly. It's not just Manly. British clubs have dominated this competition for long enough. You really don't think that has anything at all to do with the timing/location of the fixture? We can't win an international competition for toffee, but (more or less) all of our SL winners are superior to their NRL counterparts?'"
Its not silly. Its rugby league, it isnt played on paper, it isnt played in your imagination. It isnt played on ifs buts and maybes, it isnt played with handicaps, it isnt played with advantages. It is played on a patch of grass, with two goals, officials and 34 players and what happens in that 80minutes is all that matters.'"
On that we'll have to differ. The SL side [ihas[/i enjoyed an advantage for several years, and until that changes the concept will always be flawed, and the achievement of winning it diminished.
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| Quote Mild mannered Janitor="Mild mannered Janitor"Does this way to win include getting the benefit of a very dodgy call on the Webb bomb spill which 99 times out of 100 would be called a knock on and does it also include getting away with forward passes.
If the answer is yes, the "finding a way to win" in your world means the officials having a shocker in your favour and cheating the rules?'"
I think it means picking one decision in isolation and pretending it and only it decided the entire 80minutes. Im not sure though, I think its possible ive confused that with codheaded jealousy from a team which hasnt ever been good enough to contest the WCC.
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| Quote Rock God X="Rock God X"On that we'll have to differ. The SL side [ihas[/i enjoyed an advantage for several years, and until that changes the concept will always be flawed, and the achievement of winning it diminished.'"
Then you overcome it. Its what professional sportsmen do.
If Manly were that much better, it being a little bit colder here isnt really relevent.
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| Quote Mild mannered Janitor="Mild mannered Janitor"Quote Mild mannered Janitor="SmokeyTA"Winners find a way to win. Losers find excuses.
If manly cant prepare for the WCC it is because they arent good enough to win the WCC. If they were good enough, they would have won.'"
Does this way to win include getting the benefit of a very dodgy call on the Webb bomb spill which 99 times out of 100 would be called a knock on and does it also include getting away with forward passes.
If the answer is yes, the "finding a way to win" in your world means the officials having a shocker in your favour and cheating the rules?'"
That can happen in any game though. Plenty of teams get lucky calls, but not all are good enough to take advantage of them.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Quote SmokeyTA="Rock God X"On that we'll have to differ. The SL side [ihas[/i enjoyed an advantage for several years, and until that changes the concept will always be flawed, and the achievement of winning it diminished.'"
Then you overcome it. Its what professional sportsmen do.
If Manly were that much better, it being a little bit colder here isnt really relevent.'"
Dear me. It's less to do with the weather and more to do with the travelling several thousand miles and not being match fit. How hard is that to understand?
And for the last time, it's not about Leeds or Manly, it's about the concept as a whole.
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| Quote Mild mannered Janitor="Mild mannered Janitor"Does this way to win include getting the benefit of a very dodgy call on the Webb bomb spill which 99 times out of 100 would be called a knock on and does it also include getting away with forward passes.
If the answer is yes, the "finding a way to win" in your world means the officials having a shocker in your favour and cheating the rules?'"
Are you trolling or just bitter?
The Webb bomb spill quite clearly went backwards. Take a look at where Webb touches the ball and where the ball hits the ground.
As for forward passes - there were just as many forward passes by Manly not penalised as there were by Leeds, despite Manly's unwillingness to spread the play.
To class the ref as having a "shocker in Leeds' favour" and Leeds as "cheating the rules" is frankly bizarre and I have to question which game you were watching. What I saw was raised elbows, holding down and several dangerous tackles from Manly go pretty much unpunished aside from a penalty.
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| Really enjoyed the game and the event of a whole.
The good thing about Headingly for is that you can move around the complex and don't feel confined to your seat.
Sadly I got stuck in a massive traffic jam after the game as apparently someone was run over. Does anyone know anything?
Also really enjoyed the Heinz challenge. My mate managed to get in the top 3 with a time of 8.1 seconds but didn't get a prize. Did anyone win a ball or any prize?
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| Quote justarugbyfan="justarugbyfan"Also really enjoyed the Heinz challenge. My mate managed to get in the top 3 with a time of 8.1 seconds but didn't get a prize. Did anyone win a ball or any prize?'"
I managed 9.8 and didn't get anything
Didn't even know I could win anything until I saw this thread! Safe to say I had a few too many beforehand. Good sponsors though, hopefully they will get more involved after last nights success.
RE the game, Manly didn't deserve to win, if they didn't take it seriously then thats their problem, Leeds will have the Prize money and a trophy to boot. It's a shame that the Aussies treat the competition with little respect, and it serves them right when they get beat. I would love to see the match played at the end of the season though, maybe in a neutral country, the USA for example, bet they would go mad for it.
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| Quote TFC="TFC"I managed 9.8 and didn't get anything
Didn't even know I could win anything until I saw this thread! Safe to say I had a few too many beforehand. Good sponsors though, hopefully they will get more involved after last nights success.
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I'm not sure you definitely could but I saw some lads walking away with Heinz balls so...
They took my mates details down and they said something about a Magic Weekend competition but I'm not really sure what it was about.
Hope to see competitions like that again, really enjoyed it!
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| Quote rhino phil="rhino phil"id be impressed if Hull ever got anywhere near a WCC first'"
What would you clash as "near" a World Club Challenge? Can't get any nearer than the Grand Final surely?
You are therefore impressed 
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| Quote Rock God X="Rock God X"That can happen in any game though. Plenty of teams get lucky calls, but not all are good enough to take advantage of them.'"
But that's the point isn't it. Smokey's arrogant statement of "winners find a way to win" coupled with a bit of parochial xenophobia, is typical from those who cannot appreciate that luck plays a part on most sporting events. His attitude is also inherently flawed when you consider last years cup final. Had Leeds lost their "way"
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| Quote Him="Him"Are you trolling or just bitter?
The Webb bomb spill quite clearly went backwards. Take a look at where Webb touches the ball and where the ball hits the ground.
As for forward passes - there were just as many forward passes by Manly not penalised as there were by Leeds, despite Manly's unwillingness to spread the play.
To class the ref as having a "shocker in Leeds' favour" and Leeds as "cheating the rules" is frankly bizarre and I have to question which game you were watching. What I saw was raised elbows, holding down and several dangerous tackles from Manly go pretty much unpunished aside from a penalty.'"
Not trolling or bitter, if you care to look at my first contribution to this thread you will see I was praising Leeds for their win. It's only a myopic few that choose not to see that.
Regarding the Webb incident, with the benefit of neutrality, which from your message you clearly don't have, if your team were on the wrong end of that decision you would be apoplectic about it.
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