classic Bailey

Nail on the head. Did you see anyone sticking up for Mathers when he did that ridiculous shot on King? No because noone has anything against King even the Wigan fans after he chose Wire over Wigan for more money (understandably tbf) this same thing would happen if Briers, Long, McGuire, Smith, Senior etc etc had the same thing happen to them. Unless of course it was one of the others that inflicted the knockout because the fans would dislike them enough to blame them too.

I dispise tomkins, but thats as clear cut red card as you are ever going to get. I've never heard of the 8 point try until now either. Thats a pretty cool rule (maybe ganson forgot about it too), i'm a qualified ref and i've never been taught it. I would of given a penalty on the halfway line to the attacking team.

That "tackle" is one of the worst cheap shots i've seen in a long while too. Surprise that hull fans are defending it

My only comment on this is watch the number of times players attempt to punch the ball from the person carrying it rather that slapping the ball.

There is a reason for this.

Anyone but me think the red card decision was based on Tomkins being ko'd?

If Tomkins had been sparked out Raynor wouldn't even have been penalised. We see far more malicious head shots go barely punished every week.

Yes it was the right call, but for completely the wrong reasons.

Spot on! Finally, some one talking some sense.

At the end of the day it was a high risk play from Raynor. You can argue intent until the cows come home, only Raynor himself knows whether he intended to hurt Tomkins. He either saves the try and keeps his team in the game/competition or he risks making the wrong contact and getting sent off. In short, sh*t or bust. I will say this though, Ainscough didn't look too happy when he was talking to him in the dressing room, he's one of Sam's best mates.

As for the 8 point try, the rule is quite clear on this "If a player fouls an opponent who is touching down for a try, a penalty kick at goal shall be taken from in front of the goal posts after the attempt to convert the try." How Ganson didn't give it is beyond me. Having said that, Ganson is a mystery unto himself as we all know

You may be right there Col ......... dirtier rather than tougher .......... but it was certainly more fun to watch.

And yes, I know I'm an old dinosaur stuck in my old fashioned ways, but I used to enjoy watching a bit, okay, a lot of biff.

So nobody can possibly know what Raynor's intent was but you know exactly what everyone on this thread's intentions are?

Hypocrisy much?

I've seen far worse incidents with knees going in on players scoring going un punished. Ganson's only sent him off due to him bring knocked out.

I thought Raynor was just helping him with his planking

So, you're basically saying that that decision can only be given in the nanosecond that the ball is in contact with the player's hand and the ground. If that's the case, what's the point in having the rule at all then?

Not quite, but the rule had to be changed because of how broad a spectrum people were asking it to be applied to, no one really knew. If you concede a penalty before the try scoring act its either a penalty or a penalty try, not an 8 point try. Following that a penalty cant be given when the balls dead. It has to be within these timeframes was my understanding

Seems to be my understanding of it. Until the ball is grounded any offence will, as you say, be a penalty or penalty try, whereas when the ball has been grounded and a foul is committed then the 8 point try is awarded.

You cant give a penalty of any kind after the ball is grounded, its deemed "dead".