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Quote: Nothus "I don't think the cap should be lifted. You've got your marquee exemptions for any big names you want to bring in.
How about we try and actually grow the sport in this country instead? Why not offer incentives for bringing players through your academy instead? And I mean far more attractive incentives than what we already have.

I don't want teams throwing money around when most clubs are only sustainable thanks to debts being underwritten by benefactors. That is not a healthy long term strategy for the sport. Any top NRL talent are here for nothing but money and once that dries up they will go back home and we will be left with nothing in their place.'"


This is an interesting post.

But why do clubs need any "incentive" to have an academy? It was having an academy that saw Leeds start to win lots of trophies, why Wigan & saints continue to be dominant and why Warrington more competitive since they improved their academy? Surely Noble & McDermott know Toronto are handicapped with no academy and the best players preferring to play along the M62 not jumping in and out of planes? Salford made the grand final with no academy I know, but the TWP squad as it stands shows you why Noble wants the rules changing so that he can buy the best players academies here produce, because TWP will never have an academy.

Beyond the obligatory half a dozen players the NRL don't want TWP are comprised of players who originate from academies in Wakefield, Warrington, St.Helens, Widnes, Wigan Bradford and Hull who in the end weren't good enough for Superleague. TWP were unable to recruit anyone before they had won promotion, now there's no decent players left so they pulled the SBW stunt. Is it the case TWP just want the cap changing so they can be The Manchester City of Rugby League? Good for the game? Thoughts??

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Quote: Donnyman "This is an interesting post.

I don't see why clubs need any "incentive" to have an academy? surely it was having an academy that saw Leeds start to win lots of trophies, why Wigan & saints continue to be dominant and Warrington more competitive since they started to get good players through their academy? Surely Noble & Mr McDermott know Toronto are handicapped with no academy probably ever? & the best players prefer to play along the M62 not jumping in and out of planes? Salford made the grand final with no academy so you can't rule out Toronto being competitive, but when you look at the TWP squad as it stands you can see exactly why Mr. Noble wants the rules changing so that it's not about developing players but about paying them more.

They have the obligatory half a dozen players the NRL don't want but the bulk of the squad are players who originate from academies in Wakefield, Warrington, St.Helens, Widnes, Wigan Bradford and Hull who in the end weren't good enough for Superleague. They all appear to remain on the TWP player roster because TWP were unable to recruit anyone before they had won promotion, now there's no decent players left?. Their only tactic left was the Marquee thing so SWB was offered an absolute fortune to try to cover TWP's inability to recruit anyone. Is it the case TWP just want the cap changing so they can outbid both the NRL and English SL for any player they want? The Manchester City of Rugby League? Good for the game? Thoughts??'"


Toronto would need to base their academy side in the UK (maybe they could rent Odsal icon_wink.gif ) as trying to play in Canada would be nigh on impossible.
However, as for attracting players, apart from being massively behind existing SL clubs in terms of recruitment, Toronto should have plenty of "pull" in attracting players that want to be based in a major City ?? It would certainly be different to living in Wigan or Wakefield.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Toronto would need to base their academy side in the UK (maybe they could rent Odsal
Wow!! What an interesting thought, TWP buy up all the best young amateur players in England to play as TWP academy out of Odsal. Is there any salary cap for Academy players?? If not all the best English junior players can be signed by TWP on massive contracts. I wondered what Mr. Perez was up to, now you have let the wrencat out of the bag!!

Seriously if something like this comes with Mr. Argylle buying Odsal and making it the Wembley of the North, and getting Bulls back on track as an SL club, which would be him giving massively to the game here, I'm certainly 100% on for that. It would be brilliant for the game.

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Quote: Mr Dog "It's not really that much different in Manchester.....'"


Well it was Brian McDermott who as London Broncos coach said that London's inability to compete at the top level was because good players did not want to sign for Broncos and go live in relative isolation in London one of the worlds most iconic cities, they much preferred to be based along the M62. I aren't sure what the NRL players at M62 clubs do outside of playing but I would certainly hazard a guess they socialise with fellow imports at other M62 clubs. I can understand Toronto is a vibrant city but so is London, Manchester and Leeds the constant flying must be unbearable?

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Quote: Donnyman "Well it was Brian McDermott who as London Broncos coach said that London's inability to compete at the top level was because good players did not want to sign for Broncos and go live in relative isolation in London one of the worlds most iconic cities, they much preferred to be based along the M62. I aren't sure what the NRL players at M62 clubs do outside of playing but I would certainly hazard a guess they socialise with fellow imports at other M62 clubs. I can understand Toronto is a vibrant city but so is London, Manchester and Leeds the constant flying must be unbearable?'"


They don't live in isolation though as they live in the UK, most around the M62 corridor! They've hardly done constant flying the last few years either. Last year probably 8 Atlantic crossings.

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Quote: Mr Dog "It's not really that much different in Manchester.....'"


You are Leon Pryce and I claim my £5

Manchester or Toronto...…………..well, the answer isn't Manchester.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "You are Leon Pryce and I claim my £5

Manchester or Toronto...…………..well, the answer isn't Manchester.'"

To be fair..... Nah, your right. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Donnyman "not jumping in and out of planes'"

Now thats an event i would attend........ SBW et al parachuting into the grand final to the theme of dambusters...... GLORIOUS!
Imagine the ratings..... BT sport would be in like flynn icon_lol.gif

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Quote: wrencat1873 "You are Leon Pryce and I claim my £5

Manchester or Toronto...…………..well, the answer isn't Manchester.'"


The point is the TWP players don't live in Toronto, they spend far more time in the UK at home and in Manchester.

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Quote: Mr Dog "The point is the TWP players don't live in Toronto, they spend far more time in the UK at home and in Manchester.'"

Has anyone told sonny?
I know 2.5 a year is good...... But Manchester????????

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Quote: AXE2GRIND "Has anyone told sonny?
I know 2.5 a year is good...... But Manchester????????'"



There's nowt wrong with Manchester. One of it's selling points is it's only 20 miles from Wigan. (Same goes for Liverpool too!)

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Quote: AXE2GRIND "Has anyone told sonny?
I know 2.5 a year is good...... But Manchester????????'"

Oh aye SBW knows, in a article he said he'd been asking where are the nice places to live around Manchester because he's getting a house, he'll fit in well with all the multi millionaire Man city and united players and other sports men and businessmen in the The Golden Triangle.

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Quote: proper-shaped-balls "There's nowt wrong with Manchester. One of it's selling points is it's only 20 miles from Wigan. (Same goes for Liverpool too!)'"

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Quote: Shifty Cat "Oh aye SBW knows, in a article he said he'd been asking where are the nice places to live around Manchester because he's getting a house, he'll fit in well with all the multi millionaire Man city and united players and other sports men and businessmen in the The Golden Triangle.'"

Hate yo tell you this shifty, but those footballers all live in leafy Cheshire not Manchestaar.

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