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Quote: SpainesRoadFartown "do super league still need this excuse of a club or have we finally accepted they are now a small irrelevant club?'"

I've watched Huddersfield play at Fartown, Leeds Road and the John Smith's, so I find this a bit rich given some of your recent history.

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Quote: MorePlaymakersNeeded "The big issue for Bradford Bulls is the RFL not sanctioning a move. I'm second guessing a bit, but I'd expect the RFL would require compensation on whatever lease(s) they still hold, prior to a move being agreed.'"


There's not much they can do to block it really. The lease that was in place for Odsal has now expired, Dewsbury have already agreed to allow Bradford to share the ground and the RFL have previously announced that Dewsbury was suitable for SL games when there was a chance of Wakefield playing there.

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Quote: roofaldo2 "There's not much they can do to block it really. The lease that was in place for Odsal has now expired, Dewsbury have already agreed to allow Bradford to share the ground and the RFL have previously announced that Dewsbury was suitable for SL games when there was a chance of Wakefield playing there.'"

I don't doubt that your correct, but some folk can be very spiteful at times. Ground sharing in Dewsbury may have been fine back in the day, but the RFL could suddenly find fault with it now.

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Quote: MorePlaymakersNeeded "I don't doubt that your correct, but some folk can be very spiteful at times. Ground sharing in Dewsbury may have been fine back in the day, but the RFL could suddenly find fault with it now.'"


Back in the day? I'm pretty certain the potential ground share with Dewsbury and Wakefield was suggestion only a couple of years ago.

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A couple of years, what does it matter - do you trust the RFL is what I'm alluding to?

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Quote: MorePlaymakersNeeded "A couple of years, what does it matter - do you trust the RFL is what I'm alluding to?'"


About as far as I could comfortably spit out a moose

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Quote: roofaldo2 "There's not much they can do to block it really. The lease that was in place for Odsal has now expired, Dewsbury have already agreed to allow Bradford to share the ground and the RFL have previously announced that Dewsbury was suitable for SL games when there was a chance of Wakefield playing there.'"


That is assuming Bradford get promoted in the near future. If not then it will be plenty of time for Bradford to get the ground sorted

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My thoughts for what it is worth.. from the bulls point of view, we don’t seem to have much of a choice but to leave odsal. The costs involved are just not sustainable for a super league team never mind a championship one (which is what we are likely to be for the foreseeable future!). If the rumours of the costs of sharing with dewsbury are true it’s has game changer for Bradford in being able to survive.

Do I want to move? Not really. I weirdly always loved odsal. Do I know we have to move? Yes 100%. We either move or we go pop again within 2 years. Regardless of how the situation came about, and who’s fault it is, that’s the reality.

I very much doubt the bulls will be back in a new shiny stadium in Bradford in two years time. Not going to happen for nine. The bulls will be travelling for the next 5 years at least if you ask me. What that will do to the fan base I’m not sure.

I’m sure the rfl would want the bulls to stay at odsal purely for the rent but, unless a lower rent is agreed, it’s cutting the nose off to spite the face if they forced Bradford to stay in odsal and go bust again.

As said before, rfl need to sell the lease back to the council. Council sell the odsal land for development (probably commercial). New smaller Max 10/12k capacity stadium is built over the road on the Richard Dunn site with leisure facilities to fit sport England and health and well being government targets and hopefully park avenue move in two.

Issue is that has been needed for maybe 20/25 years so far and waiting.

New stadium in two years?? Sure just ask Wakefield, Castleford, York, Oldham, Swinton, London etc

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Why does it cost so much money to keep Odsal going?

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Quote: Psychedelic Casual "Why does it cost so much money to keep Odsal going?'"


Probably has something to do with the underhand way the RFL acquired the lease, by snatching it before the administrator was called in years ago for a clandestine loan they made to Bradford without informing any other member clubs. The RFL are trying to recoup the (loan) by charging a high rent and passing all the maintenance costs onto the tenant which are astronomical on an ancient stadium..

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I thought the rent is a negligible 70k or so a year. The true cost is the upkeep which is a burden transferred from the leaseholder to the club. That's rumoured to be in the region of £300k to £500k per annum just to maintain it's rather tired current state, and that's what makes it unaffordable to stay.

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Quote: pie.warrior "Probably has something to do with the underhand way the RFL acquired the lease, by snatching it before the administrator was called in years ago for a clandestine loan they made to Bradford without informing any other member clubs. The RFL are trying to recoup the (loan) by charging a high rent and passing all the maintenance costs onto the tenant which are astronomical on an ancient stadium..'"


I always wondered why the 1st administrator didn't look at that. He had the authority to. Basically the RFL took the only asset Bulls had left (the lease) and got rid of their unsecured loan at the same time and then 6months later the other creditors were left with nothing.

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Quote: Psychedelic Casual "Why does it cost so much money to keep Odsal going?'"

Ask yourself why we moved into the HJS, and it will make sense.

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Quote: Pumpetypump "I thought the rent is a negligible 70k or so a year. The true cost is the upkeep which is a burden transferred from the leaseholder to the club. That's rumoured to be in the region of £300k to £500k per annum just to maintain it's rather tired current state, and that's what makes it unaffordable to stay.'"


With maintenance costs of £00 to £500k per annum, that would suggest that Odsal is a total dead duck and it is now up to the RFL and Braford Council to decide what could/ should happen to the lease ??
However, does anyone know exactly what Bradford and The RFL committed themselves to in terms of who would pay what and for how long.
Was it a case of The RFL jumping in too quickly and not knowing how or who would pay them back or, were Bradford themselves too naïve in wanting to stay at Odsal.
Surely, when they signed back up to play at Odsal, they were aware of the costs involved and now, plying their trade in the lower leagues, they realise they are unable to afford to stay.
Walking away when they have signed a long term lease would be very poor form, unless the burden of maintaining the ground has changed, after the lease was agreed.

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Quote: Bulls4 "My thoughts for what it is worth.. from the bulls point of view, we don’t seem to have much of a choice but to leave odsal. The costs involved are just not sustainable for a super league team never mind a championship one (which is what we are likely to be for the foreseeable future!). If the rumours of the costs of sharing with dewsbury are true it’s has game changer for Bradford in being able to survive.

Do I want to move? Not really. I weirdly always loved odsal. Do I know we have to move? Yes 100%. We either move or we go pop again within 2 years. Regardless of how the situation came about, and who’s fault it is, that’s the reality.

I very much doubt the bulls will be back in a new shiny stadium in Bradford in two years time. Not going to happen for nine. The bulls will be travelling for the next 5 years at least if you ask me. What that will do to the fan base I’m not sure.

I’m sure the rfl would want the bulls to stay at odsal purely for the rent but, unless a lower rent is agreed, it’s cutting the nose off to spite the face if they forced Bradford to stay in odsal and go bust again.

As said before, rfl need to sell the lease back to the council. Council sell the odsal land for development (probably commercial). New smaller Max 10/12k capacity stadium is built over the road on the Richard Dunn site with leisure facilities to fit sport England and health and well being government targets and hopefully park avenue move in two.

Issue is that has been needed for maybe 20/25 years so far and waiting.

New stadium in two years?? Sure just ask Wakefield, Castleford, York, Oldham, Swinton, London etc'"



Well York’s is nearly done been delayed but York city will be playing in it this season and The RL next season now. But it’s nit our in the sky like the other clubs.

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