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| If we're looking at facts ans stats then the comparisons are thusCarries (based on averages depending on games played)
McGillvary 266 (15.65)
Hall 337 (15.52)
Johnstone 311 (13.52)
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Hall 2,961 (141.00)
McGillvary 2,175 (127.94)
Johnstone 2,925 (127.17)
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Johnstone 9.41
Hall 8.79
McGillvary 8.18
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Johnstone 31 (1.35)
McGillvary 22 (1.29)
Hall 24 (1.14)
Pretty even between them all 3 of them in what i think are 3 key areas of wingers perfomance, obviously Johnstone has a lot more tries, as has been pointed out a lot of those are interceptions which he's very good at, which may also skew his average gain too as his yards are not as hard earned as the other 2.
Either way we are not desperate for wingers so when Hall and McGillvary aren't available any of the likes of Johnstone, Davies, Charnley etc would all do a decent job as cover.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Huddersfield fans aren't too well known for facts.
If you listen to them, especially on the Kilner Bank, every pass from the opposition is forward, every tackle is foul play and their players never do anything wrong.
The most telling comment was "McGilvery not being involved in the chase" as he would have got nowhere near him and that no other player got near Johnstone.
He is not the same type of winger as Hall or McGilvery, who base a lot of their game on power but, Johnstone has pace and footwork that very few others possess. Yes, he is still learning his trade but, given that he's still 23, if he can remain fit, he should be in contention for Hall's left wing berth for England.
The guy is box office and there appears to be a fair amount of envy from the supporters of other clubs, which is great
1. i'm not a Hudds fan
2. it was a wakefield fan, i presume he is, who said he'd run past Jerry, as there was no chase between them how can TJ have run past JMG?
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| Quote: Clearwing "Fair enough, my jibe was a bit tongue in cheek
Agree, and at the moment TJ is probably just edging it, but depends what kind of winger the coach is looking for.
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| Quote: Alan Cargill "If we're looking at facts ans stats then the comparisons are thusCarries (based on averages depending on games played)
McGillvary 266 (15.65)
Hall 337 (15.52)
Johnstone 311 (13.52)
Metres
Hall 2,961 (141.00)
McGillvary 2,175 (127.94)
Johnstone 2,925 (127.17)
Av.Gain
Johnstone 9.41
Hall 8.79
McGillvary 8.18
Errors
Johnstone 31 (1.35)
McGillvary 22 (1.29)
Hall 24 (1.14)
Pretty even between them all 3 of them in what i think are 3 key areas of wingers perfomance, obviously Johnstone has a lot more tries, as has been pointed out a lot of those are interceptions which he's very good at, which may also skew his average gain too as his yards are not as hard earned as the other 2.
Either way we are not desperate for wingers so when Hall and McGillvary aren't available any of the likes of Johnstone, Davies, Charnley etc would all do a decent job as cover.'"
Where do you get this from " as has been pointed out a lot of those are interceptions" and just how many is a lot because I've seen all of Trinity's games this season and can remember 2.
As you say, England are not short of options but, assuming he's fit, Johnstone should get his chance sooner rather than later and lets see if he can cut it at International level as clearly, it would be a step up for the lad.
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| Quote: Clearwing "Fair enough, my jibe was a bit tongue in cheek
What if Hall goes really well in Australia in the next 2 seasons?
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| Can't believe there is all this speculation over the most settled and strongest position in the England team. Ah yes its another Trinity 'Are we a big club?' Thread. The answer is still no, it's embarassing that your posters feel the need to open discussions on every player you have that is any good, or after a few wins in superleague.
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| Quote: Hangerman2 "Can't believe there is all this speculation over the most settled and strongest position in the England team. Ah yes its another Trinity 'Are we a big club?' Thread. The answer is still no, it's embarassing that your posters feel the need to open discussions on every player you have that is any good, or after a few wins in superleague.'"
Indeed the VT is bursting full of such threads.
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| Or alternatively, fans could be pleased that positive discussion is being had outside the same old boring 3/4 clubs. Anyone would think people don’t want strong clubs throughout SL.
It was the same, & still is to some extent, when Powell changed the fortunes of Cas (don’t think we don’t know you’re waiting hopefully we’ll return to the bottom half of the league)!
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| Quote: Hangerman2 "Can't believe there is all this speculation over the most settled and strongest position in the England team. Ah yes its another Trinity 'Are we a big club?' Thread. The answer is still no, it's embarassing that your posters feel the need to open discussions on every player you have that is any good, or after a few wins in superleague.'"
This is spot on.
After a few early season wins against some of the weaker sides in SL, 'Wakey' fans were all over their board discussing 'are we a big club again'.
They'll need to finally do something about that tip of a stadium first plus win some trophies before they are even considered a 'big club'.
No doubt though should they get a poor result against Cas this week it will be all down to the ref yet again. They're never beaten only cheated you see.
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| Quote: JonnoTheGreat "This is spot on.
After a few early season wins against some of the weaker sides in SL, 'Wakey' fans were all over their board discussing 'are we a big club again'.
They'll need to finally do something about that tip of a stadium first plus win some trophies before they are even considered a 'big club'.
No doubt though should they get a poor result against Cas this week it will be all down to the ref yet again. They're never beaten only cheated you see.'"
You should be worrying about trips to Batley & Workington, not the fortunes of a top 5 super League club.
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| Jeez. All this “wakey think they are a big club” is damn right childish and come out of nowhere perhaps a maybe jealousy. It’s about a player who’s showing promising form with added discussion on other Good young wingers out there who maybe in with a shot too. If you don’t want to contribute and want to wind up throwing out stupid comments out of the blue from probably a handful of fans who got carried away 6 months ago representing a minority’s then just get off this post.
Get a grip and grow up, stop trying to have a measuring contest.
And Hall is injured hence the speculation and likelihood of a chance for another player. If you don’t want Hall to play on one leg that is :/.
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| Quote: Hangerman2 "Can't believe there is all this speculation over the most settled and strongest position in the England team. Ah yes its another Trinity 'Are we a big club?' Thread. The answer is still no, it's embarassing that your posters feel the need to open discussions on every player you have that is any good, or after a few wins in superleague.'" its not about Wakefield Trinity its about a quality player now pushing for an England spot who plays for Trinity and is loyal to the club, don't worry you shouldn't feel threatened by a lowly humble club like ours
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| Quote: JonnoTheGreat "This is spot on.
After a few early season wins against some of the weaker sides in SL, 'Wakey' fans were all over their board discussing 'are we a big club again'.
They'll need to finally do something about that tip of a stadium first plus win some trophies before they are even considered a 'big club'.
No doubt though should they get a poor result against Cas this week it will be all down to the ref yet again. They're never beaten only cheated you see.'"
Bless, keep peddling fella and you may get a friend to sympathise your rants.
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| Quote: JonnoTheGreat "'Wakey' fans were all over their board discussing 'are we a big club again''"
No they weren't.
It's interesting to see 9 pages of back and forth about the possibility of an exceptional talent like Tom Johnstone stepping in for an injured Ryan Hall; it's almost as if some people can't discuss the relative merits of players from clubs other than their own, without feeling the need to get a few digs in - and the lowlier they perceive that club to be, the more barbed the comments. It's exceptionally childish.
For mine, Hall has been one of the most consistent performers in an England shirt - and has achieved fantastic things in his club career; I defy anyone to reasonably argue that he's not one of the greatest wingers in the modern game.
But... a) he's injured and b) he won't last forever; so in a position in which we are strong, Johnstone is without a doubt in the mix for a call-up, if not now, in the near future. It's not that difficult.
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| Quote: Hangerman2 "Can't believe there is all this speculation over the most settled and strongest position in the England team. Ah yes its another Trinity 'Are we a big club?' Thread. The answer is still no, it's embarassing that your posters feel the need to open discussions on every player you have that is any good, or after a few wins in superleague.'"
What a crock of crap - it's nothing to do with Trinity it's very simple Johnstone is the best in form winger in SL and more than worthy of consideration END OF!!!
English fans need to grow uo and stop with the big club small club crap which in fairness all eminates from Leeds, Wigan and Saints fans who seem terrified of losing the 'status' as they see it.
I'd love every Trin player to be International class but they are not as indeed most Saints players arn't for example. Johnstone can't be called an international class player but only because he hasn't been tested. Once tested we'll know and now with Hall out TJ is the best available left sided winger after the injured Hall.
It's not rocket science and it's nothing to do with stadiums, income streams, past history or any of the other nonesense on here. RL fans are pathetic, only interested in creating heroes out of there own players whilst rubishing any that don't conform to there prejudice.
International players are all about the individual not the team they play for - it's there form that counts not that of the team they play for.
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