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Which clubs are in favour of a 10 team Super League? Surely it can’t be more than 1 or 2 foolish chairmen.

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Quote: Sir Kevin Sinfield "Which clubs are in favour of a 10 team Super League? Surely it can’t be more than 1 or 2 foolish chairmen.'"


Perhaps it's the same ones that voted for the last reduction ?
You didn't nee the benefit of hindsight to know that reducing the numbers in the top flight, whilst trying to expand the game (albeit in France at the time) was just plain wrong.
Yes it was all wrapped up to try and show that there would be the sweetener of additional funding and a way back into the top flight but, it looks stupidly short sighted now icon_surprised.gifops:

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The idiotic thing is, every couple of years, there is panic at top that we haven't caught up with RU and something has to change and we go through an upheaval, when the thing that most annoys supporters is that the game/structure is never the same for more than a couple of years.

For my money we have, probably by complete accident, hit upon the perfect structure for generating publicity for the sport and excitement within it. The middle 8s, whether your in them or not, generates far more actual excitement that the top 8s ever could. The million pound game gets into virtually every national paper's sports pages (let's not forget this is a game between the worst of Super League and the best of the Championship) and is probably the most important game of the season in terms of what is riding on it. Football has tried play-offs for promotion/relegation and it is huge for them, do you see them giving up after three seasons because, regardless of the success or failure of the structure, it's time to try something else. Ridiculous.

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Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "A ten club Super League won't work if you want French and north American clubs in Super League.

London needs to be funded by Sky or News Ltd. and placed in Super League. That club should be part of the maximum of 10 English clubs in Super League. Some heartlands English clubs will go down to the Championship.

But then we need French and north American clubs in Super League in order to expand the game and get more money from TV contracts.

Catalans, Toulouse, Toronto and New York are just the starting points for a more lucrative Sky contract. That is why there has to be at least 14 clubs in Super League in time for the Sky contract in 2022. But we also need the option of expanding further in 2027 with Avignon, Paris, Boston and Montreal coming up from the Championship.'"


Taking your post seriously for a moment,

You essentially want fewer and fewer top tier ENGLISH clubs. Because that would do absolute wonders for the game in THIS country.

Have a word with yourself.

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Try as I might, I do not seem able to remove my flat cap, which remains firmly stuck to my head!

We have now had a French team in SL, for twelve seasons - fourteen if you include the ill-fated Paris club. At times Catalans have competed well, but lately seem to be losing their way a little. Toulouse are making a determined attempt to join them in 2019. I see no evidence of how French RL has improved, over those twelve years that Catalans have played at 'the top level'. The international side is still struggling, just as much as it did, 'back in the day'.

It would be fantastic, for RL to get a foothold, across the Atlantic - indeed it would be incredible, given the popularity of sports like American football, ice hockey, and basketball. However, just how will it benefit the British game? In the short term (say ten years?) 20 or so British players would 'defect' the UK, for each North American club. There is already a powerful lobby that says we haven't got enough talent in the UK game now. Surely, an exodus of British talent to North America, will simply further dilute our talent pool?

Whilst the arrival of North American sides, in the major cities, may well afford gains in sponsorship and tv fees, would it not be the North American clubs who would most likely benefit from those revenue streams?

A ten team league of say five UK clubs, plus a couple of French teams and three North American teams, may initially generate a lot of interest, but who would those UK clubs be? London would probably be a necessity, plus say Wigan, Leeds, Saints and Hull. The remaining current UK SL clubs would then drop down (yes, DOWN) to SL2, along with five other clubs, be they Championship clubs, or French/North American clubs. The rest of UK professional clubs would presumably just be left to wither and die.

So, moving forward say five years from the start of this pipedream, and the North American venture is successful - i.e. the Sport is taken to the hearts of North Americans and there are say a dozen thriving clubs - what happens to the UK clubs in the 'big league'? Would the Americans prefer to watch say New York v Boston, or New York v St Helens, once the novelty of seeing the Brits play, has worn off? And, if they form their own Conference, what becomes of British RL, with say five teams returning to form a league, with what is left of SL2?

Maybe it would be better for the North Americans to join the NRL? Your average American/Canadian sports fan is more likely to have heard of Sydney, Brisbane, Melbourne or Auckland, than Saints, Wigan etc. The North American clubs would definitely learn more from competing with the Australian clubs, and the Australian player pool would be weakened, thus raising the chances of England, in international competition! icon_wink.gif

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Quote: luke ShipleyRed "is that still being looked into? I now there was some talk about before, I wasn't sure 8f they were still looking at it .

Makes this proposal even harder. As at the moment a minimum of 2 SL clubs will be going down (if you include Toronto & Toulouse that's 4). So 4 or 6 current championship clubs would be told to go amateur (or league 1).

Now if you add in Manchester, Newcastle, Coventry (backed by Wasps) & Dublin who were all reported to be intrested in a SL Franchise. That 4 more clubs being told to go amateur (or league 1)
Then add in New York, Hamilton, Boston and others.

Your basically relegating every team that's in the Championship down. Also demoting at least 4 to 7 more current SL clubs.

And people are arguing that that's alright?'"


I know that this is only a proposal. And that for it to be voted as the new structure SL chairmen would have to be greedy, short sighted idiots (so it's got a chance then).

So this is a purely hypothetical question/point.

If it was voted in. Would it lead to RL splitting, and having 2 entirely different competitions?
like the Australians had for a couple of years (it think it was a couple of years).

If it does happen. Someone really needs to get hold of the guy who negotiated the 6 nations tv contract.
The only game that doesn't involve any home nations, on at 7.30 pm on a Friday night on a main TV channel. That's impressive negotiations.

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Quote: joultram "The million pound game gets into virtually every national paper's sports pages (let's not forget this is a game between the worst of Super League and the best of the Championship)'"

Yet only 50,000 tuned in to watch it.

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We don't need a 10 team Super League. We need a 14 or 16 team Super League with 10 English clubs maximum (including London) and at least 2 French teams and 2-4 north American teams.

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Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "We don't need a 10 team Super League. We need a 14 or 16 team Super League with 10 English clubs maximum (including London) and at least 2 French teams and 2-4 north American teams.'"


And why do we need that?

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Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "We don't need a 10 team Super League. We need a 14 or 16 team Super League with 10 English clubs maximum (including London) and at least 2 French teams and 2-4 north American teams.'"


Why can't they have their own domestic leagues that are of the same level as Super League?

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Quote: Chris.Taylor "Why can't they have their own domestic leagues that are of the same level as Super League?'"


Because there aren't the players or the financiers to create a full domestic professional league in France or north America. That is why France only has a semi-pro league and the north Americans only one club so far.

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Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "Because there aren't the players or the financiers to create a full domestic professional league in France or north America. That is why France only has a semi-pro league and the north Americans only one club so far.'"

So rather than concentrate on increasing the playing pool, you want to plonk teams at random north American Cities and build from the top down? Yeah....that's gonna work d040.gif

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Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "Because there aren't the players or the financiers to create a full domestic professional league in France or north America. That is why France only has a semi-pro league and the north Americans only one club so far.'"


Apart from the fact that most Canadians would happily string you up for calling them "North American", you've sort of in a cack-handed way hit the nail on the head. There aren't enough players or financiers to sustain a strong RL structure in the UK (right down to grass roots) and that's where the problem lies. Success across the Atlantic or the English Channel won't help UK clubs.

Fax are engaging with local amateur RL clubs, with the home games so far this season seeing two of them as guests for the day. Are all SL clubs doing the same? I'm sure that some are, but I doubt they all engage with the local community for the better good of the game.

The direction of your posts I feel would actually suggest that maybe ditching non-UK clubs from SL would perhaps (contentious!) be the best option. The two French clubs are a struggling SL outfit and one that may make the Middle 8's but has no chance of progressing further. The odds of both being in the Championship next year, although probably unlikely, is far greater than them both being in SL.

My own team doesn't come in to this. Fax aren't ready for SL either on or off the pitch, but the RFL and SL should focus on how best to make the game better in the UK, end of.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "Given that Toronto have been getting crowds around 8 times what that Dewsbury - Batley figure, I think you're a bit off the mark.'"


London playing at home would pull in less than 1000

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Quote: ronniebarker "London playing at home would pull in less than 1000'"

As much as you are trolling.........
1,205 were there for the Wolfpack in the 2nd tier with no marketing........a successful London averaged 5k before the current owner took over, ignored marketing and dragged us to the 2nd tier. A successful London, marketed well should be attracting 10k in a heartbeat, but as is the case at most RL clubs, marketing is an afterthought and therefore the top 40% of our clubs deliver 75% of our audience......

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