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| Legalise it, tax it and hopefully we'll get better quality stuff.
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| Quote: Sheldon "Legalise it, tax it and hopefully we'll get better quality stuff.'" can't believe I read that, I'll take that its tongue in cheek comment
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| Quote: snowie "can't believe I read that, I'll take that its tongue in cheek comment'"
Why? The time it's been cut with ket, plant food and gyprock dust it's more damaging. The Dutch have testing kits at nightclubs and the Portuguese have relaxed laws to great effect.
Whatever laws and systems we've got in place clearly aren't working.
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| Quote: Sheldon "Quote: Sheldon "can't believe I read that, I'll take that its tongue in cheek comment'"
Why? The time it's been cut with ket, plant food and gyprock dust it's more damaging. The Dutch have testing kits at nightclubs and the Portuguese have relaxed laws to great effect.
Whatever laws and systems we've got in place clearly aren't working.'"
That really progresses the discussion, and opens up a whole moral/ethical debate.
I absolute understand that sentiment, and for me the real exam question to ask is 'would cocaine as a legal substance really be any more damaging to society than tobacco or alchohol?' There's an arguement that legalising it would mean more people do it, so any current issues it cocain causes would be magnified beyond measure, and there's also an arguement that it would then drive those that currently do coke to something stronger (it being against the rules is part of its attraction).
I do like the basic principles of legalising and taxing it, but I'd need convincing by someone much more knowledgeable than me about the potential negatives and findings from other countries where it's legalised.
One thing I 100% agree on - the current laws and systems aren't working - it's no longer even taboo or hidden - the folk who are doing it have no shame about it, it's not even a consideration anymore, it's just something they do. But then we're living in an age where finding hook ups on the internet through 'tinder' is not only socially acceptable, it's openly discussed and encouraged (when did internet dating stop being something only a complete weirdo would do?), and when did being a fat slag has stopped being an insult and has become something to celebrate, it's now a pre-requisite for getting famous on shows like Love Island and Big Brother...... The world has gone stark raving mad!!!
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "its not really hard to find examples
The hypocrisy of our attitude to these substances summed up very succinctly - I couldn't agree more.
It's clear that the so-called war on drugs has been comprehensively lost, and as a result, the trade is entirely illegal and conducted in the shadows by crims and gangsters, with no controls, safety standards, or taxation; meanwhile, people will stand in the pub, downing their 8th pint, waxing lyrical about the evils of weed or coke, with absolutely no sense of the damage their own drug of choice does to society when misused.
People who work in an environment where drug use is prohibited will be sanctioned by their employer - rightly so - and Chase and Walker are at worst dim for allowing themselves to be caught; but the wider debate about the decriminalisation of drugs needs to be conducted in a grown-up way, without all the ill-informed moralising from people with little understanding of the issues and views on the matter that they've rented from the Daily Mail.
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| Quote: Superted "I don't see anybody defending coke, or saying its not bad - some are more accepting of its use, some are happy to just leave folk to their own devices, and some are dead against it. The bigger point is that unfortunately it's now common place within the rugby league community, and particularly amongst players of both amateur and professional clubs. It's almost as much a part of the social scene as a beer nowadays - for most it goes hand in hand. It's sad, but true...
Someone mentioned a potential link with the apparent increase in heart issues amongst younger blokes in our sport and coke use - whilst I wouldn't necessarily tie it to coke, I have absolutely no doubt that a cocktail of various supplements (illegal and non-illegal), painkillers and recreational drugs are playing havoc with peoples long term health (both physical and mental) in our sport. I've seen first hand different super league players (current and ex) who's lives are an absolute mess because of a mixture of the above - often tied in with gambling problems too.
Coke is relatively cheap, leaves less of a hangover the next day and is becoming 'the norm' - it's easy to understand why it's the go to substance amongst the rugby league player demographic. What's even more ridiculous (and this is a sign of me starting to get old) is me and the couple of non-users at our club are actually ridiculed for being 'do-gooders' by the lads - it's all light hearted, but we're the ones who are seen as 'not being normal', because we're in the minority.'"
I can completely relate to this, it's the same at my amateur club. Coke has become the norm for a large section of our team. As one of the older ones I'm quite happy with a few pints on a Saturday, & their use of coke doesn't adversely effect me or anyone around us from what I've noticed when out (alcohol was generally worse for that).
We also have a few lads who go on courses of steroids from time to time, and judging by some of the red-faced maniacs I come up against, it's the same at other amateur clubs. T5's, copious amounts of energy drinks, painkillers are all knocking around the changing room pre-match.
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| Quote: snowie "can't believe I read that, I'll take that its tongue in cheek comment'"
In countries where drugs are legalised there is less gang activity, less gang related violence and murders, fewer kidknappings, fewer hospitalisations and deaths because drugs are monitored and are safer, people can be educated more easily and widely on drugs and their use and effects, the NHS/Govt can earn money from their trade.....
There is not once single shred of evidence that the prohibition of drugs is a positive for society. NOT ONE!
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| Quote: Erik the not red "The coke as a social issue can be argued over elsewhere because flagging it up on non match day sample brings up privacy issues and such.
Testing positive on a match day sample is cheating as its a stimulant and so a performance enhancer (as are industrial quantities of caffeine BTW - far more than a few cuppas worth). That's why its on the WADA list. Chase and Walker are grade A idiots for being caught as they were and deserve everything that gets thrown at them. First weekend of the play offs and these 2 clowns are hogging the headlines and the expense of some decent performances.'"
Yes, this pretty much sums it up.
A professional sportsperson is expected to adhere to certain rules / restrictions, if they can't they they can expect a ban.
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| Quote: Tigerade "Willzay - that's his IQ level sorted then but whats your assessment on Adam Walkers mental state ?
Well I don't think he needs an arm round the shoulder and trip to the bahamas treatment.
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| Quote: Psychedelic Casual "In countries where drugs are legalised there is less gang activity, less gang related violence and murders, fewer kidknappings, fewer hospitalisations and deaths because drugs are monitored and are safer, people can be educated more easily and widely on drugs and their use and effects, the NHS/Govt can earn money from their trade.....
There is not once single shred of evidence that the prohibition of drugs is a positive for society. NOT ONE!'"
Exactly this.
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| Quote: Mash Butty "It's time we eradicated this filth out of country and we can start by having blood tests for 3rd party liability insurance for drivers, machinery users and anyone in a "danger to other people" type of job, then politicians, lords, judges and stock brokers. If your not clean you shouldn't be in any of those jobs. If you get caught selling the stuff you go up 3 tax bands for life and bailiffs check the contents of your home every month to see income vs outgoings... after that we might have a chance.'"
Faux Daily Mail outrage noted.
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| Quote: TheUnassumingBadger "Should players even be tested for recreational drugs? I'd estimate that at least 6 out of 10 Super League players will have snorted coke on a night out during their career. Stupid to get banned for it if you ask me, as long as it isn't performance enhancing then they should be allowed to do what they want.'"
Remember the old 80% of facts are made up on the spot line? Do you have anything to back up your supposition which would make professional rugby players more likely to short come than the general public?
It is sad to think that we have become blaze about the effects of our choices. The Mexican drugs war seems a long way away from a night out on Kings St (I know that will make you chuckle) but the links are real. The easy answer is decriminalization but that simply allows the criminals an outlet for the money that they earn from prostitution and the like. If you want to see what decriminalization looks like have a look at the figures for trafficked girls in the Netherlands or any of the other negatives that encouraging anti-social behaviour creates.
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| Quote: Levrier " Do you have anything to back up your supposition which would make professional rugby players more likely to short come than the general public?
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It's because of the vast amount of roids they're jacking up and charlie that they're tooting.
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| If the players want to take coke & avoid a positive test all they have to do is forward plan.
But we can all surely agree that some of the players aren't the sharpest knives in the box.
Jeez, we have Jamie Peacock on the B.B.C. Rugby Panel & he's one of the brighter ones.
Forward Planning Boys.
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| I see Schoey and Ryan McGoldrick have had a bit of a twitter spat on this (McGoldrick claiming Schoey is just chasing headlines and a payday). But both pretty much admit it's rife, with McGoldrock also citing performance enhancing as being an issue too - he even claims 'Leeds favourite son' was caught and covered up....
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