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| Quote: Damo-Leeds "I have no doubt Leeds Rhinos have made some inroads at attracting fans from the cities higher education institutions to matches but I think you overestimate what an impact this has in the grand scheme of things. A Leeds Uni or Met or trinity student attending Leeds Rhinos matches is about as niche as the students attending live netball matches in this city. '" It isnt. There are more university students playing for the Rhinos than are watching Netball in the city.
Quote: Damo-Leeds "The success of other sports in any particular area does have an impact on rugby league thriving in that area. Farsley (I await for someone to correct me on this) has never had a rugby league team but we have a relatively successful football club and cricket doesn't do too bad either. Pudsey has never had a rugby league team either as far as I'm aware but has two cricket clubs and a football club.'" Stanningley will be surprised that they dont play RL in LS28. There are a few teams there arent there. I think they play RL in Bramley as well.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "It isnt. There are more university students playing for the Rhinos than are watching Netball in the city.
Stanningley will be surprised that they dont play RL in LS28. There are a few teams there arent there. I think they play RL in Bramley as well.'"
Please enlighten me further on university students playing for the Rhinos because I am generally oblivious. Maybe a link?
Stanningley and Bramley aren't Farsley or Pudsey. Teams are generally named after the name of the village, town or city they come from and not the postcode. Rodley Rockets used to train in Farsley but a rugby team has still never really took off and established here.
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| Quote: Damo-Leeds "Please enlighten me further on university students playing for the Rhinos because I am generally oblivious. Maybe a link? '"
Josh Walters and Ryan Hall, Jimmy Keinhorst was discovered playing University RL (A German playing university RL? Surely thats unpossible?). JJB did his with Sinfield and Diskin, Rob Burrow, Jamie Peacock got a degree whilst playing for Leeds, Kylie Lueluai got an accountancy degree, Ashton Golding at Leeds Met, and they are just the ones that came up from googling leeds rhinos, degree.
Quote: Damo-Leeds "Stanningley and Bramley aren't Farsley or Pudsey. Teams are generally named after the name of the village, town or city they come from and not the postcode. Rodley Rockets used to train in Farsley but a rugby team has still never really took off and established here.'" Where do you think Stanningley is?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Josh Walters and Ryan Hall, Jimmy Keinhorst was discovered playing University RL (A German playing university RL? Surely thats unpossible?). JJB did his with Sinfield and Diskin, Rob Burrow, Jamie Peacock got a degree whilst playing for Leeds, Kylie Lueluai got an accountancy degree, Ashton Golding at Leeds Met, and they are just the ones that came up from googling leeds rhinos, degree.
Where do you think Stanningley is?'"
It's not in Manchester or Liverpool that's for sure and I'd hazard a guess that neither are Farsley, Pudsey or Bramley
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| Quote: Uncle Rico "It's not in Manchester or Liverpool that's for sure and I'd hazard a guess that neither are Farsley, Pudsey or Bramley'"
True. But Salford, leigh, Wigan, Oldham, Swinton are
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Meanwhile Leeds decision to move their WCC games back to headingley is a huge failure of ambition. '"
Alternately, it could be seen as facing up to the reality that the Elland Road attendances fell from about 38k for Leeds' first WCC to around 26k for the second. While I wouldn't argue with the philosophical side to many of your arguments, I'm often left wondering who could stump up the cash to make the schemes work.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Josh Walters and Ryan Hall, Jimmy Keinhorst was discovered playing University RL (A German playing university RL? Surely thats unpossible?). JJB did his with Sinfield and Diskin, Rob Burrow, Jamie Peacock got a degree whilst playing for Leeds, Kylie Lueluai got an accountancy degree, Ashton Golding at Leeds Met, and they are just the ones that came up from googling leeds rhinos, degree.
Where do you think Stanningley is?'"
[i rlJosh joined the Rhinos in 2013 having made the switch from playing Rugby Union, where he had progressed through the Academy with Yorkshire Carnegie. In Union, Walters was a centre who played for the North of England and was part of the Prince Henry’s AASE team who regularly challenge for national honours.rl[/i Walters was spotted by the Leeds team whilst playing for their sister club, Yorkshire Carnegie.
[i rlHall joined the Leeds Academy in 2006 after being spotted playing for amateur club the Oulton Raiders by former Leeds coach John Daly.rl[/i This is not quite been spotted whilst playing university RL is it?
[i rlKeinhorst began playing rugby in 2004 while attending St. Mary's Catholic High School, Menston.rl[/i Jimmy has a long history of playing rugby in this country way before he went to University. Leeds Rhinos did not introduce him to the sport and no, it's not strange that he's German and plays rugby league considering where he went to school. People migrate all the time regardless of their nationality. There's not thousands of Germans wanting to play rugby league, Jimmy is plays rugby because of where he grew up and I don't see any Germans moving into the rugby league heartlands anytime soon.
Regarding the other players, Leeds Rhinos have a partnership with Leeds Met which allows players to prepare for life after playing rugby league. This partnership might be attracting the odd fan from the universities to attend matches at Headingley but you are overestimating the impact. Leeds Rhinos players studying at University does not equate to a mass influx of university students living in Headingley attending rugby league games. A massive suspension of reality here.
Technically, Stanningley is a district in Pudsey but otherwise the two areas have their own unique identities. I have never heard Stanningley been referred as a Pudsey team but people might say its in Leeds. Whilst Leeds covers a variety of areas, places like Chapletown and Bramley have a different identity to the rest of the areas in the city.
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| Quote: Clearwing "Alternately, it could be seen as facing up to the reality that the Elland Road attendances fell from about 38k for Leeds' first WCC to around 26k for the second. While I wouldn't argue with the philosophical side to many of your arguments, I'm often left wondering who could stump up the cash to make the schemes work.'"
That's not quite what happened. Leeds got 38k in 05.then In 09 Ken Bates closed the top tier of the main stand at elland road. In 08 Leeds got 33k. In 09 they paid 90k for the safety certificate to reopen the top tier st the last minute and got 33k. In 2010 they didn't pay the 90k and got 27k. Then moved back to headingley and got 21k, 20k and 20k.
I get the practical argument but we criticise the Aussies for s lack of commitment to the WCC but I'm not sure how you could argue that Leeds moving back to headingley isn't exactly the same.
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| Quote: Damo-Leeds "[irlJosh joined the Rhinos in 2013 having made the switch from playing Rugby Union, where he had progressed through the Academy with Yorkshire Carnegie. In Union, Walters was a centre who played for the North of England and was part of the Prince Henry’s AASE team who regularly challenge for national honours.rl[/i Walters was spotted by the Leeds team whilst playing for their sister club, Yorkshire Carnegie.
[irlHall joined the Leeds Academy in 2006 after being spotted playing for amateur club the Oulton Raiders by former Leeds coach John Daly.rl[/i This is not quite been spotted whilst playing university RL is it?
[irlKeinhorst began playing rugby in 2004 while attending St. Mary's Catholic High School, Menston.rl[/i Jimmy has a long history of playing rugby in this country way before he went to University. Leeds Rhinos did not introduce him to the sport and no, it's not strange that he's German and plays rugby league considering where he went to school. People migrate all the time regardless of their nationality. There's not thousands of Germans wanting to play rugby league, Jimmy is plays rugby because of where he grew up and I don't see any Germans moving into the rugby league heartlands anytime soon.
Regarding the other players, Leeds Rhinos have a partnership with Leeds Met which allows players to prepare for life after playing rugby league. This partnership might be attracting the odd fan from the universities to attend matches at Headingley but you are overestimating the impact. Leeds Rhinos players studying at University does not equate to a mass influx of university students living in Headingley attending rugby league games. A massive suspension of reality here. '" Josh Walters studied sports marketing. Ryan hall accountancy. Leeds rhinos discovered Jimmy keinhordt when he was playing for Leeds met. I'm not really sure the relevance of their schools or where they played amateur RL and I didn't propose that the popularity of students attending RL was down to the rhinos players being students, sinplybused it to highlight how ludicrous the comparison to netball was.
Quote: Damo-Leeds "Technically, Stanningley is a district in Pudsey but otherwise the two areas have their own unique identities. I have never heard Stanningley been referred as a Pudsey team but people might say its in Leeds. Whilst Leeds covers a variety of areas, places like Chapletown and Bramley have a different identity to the rest of the areas in the city.'" there is no technically about it. Stanngingly is in pudsey and Bramley is walking distance away. Loads of people play RL there
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "True. But Salford, leigh, Wigan, Oldham, Swinton are'"
Oh no they're not and I would say that the vast majority of people who live in one of these towns or in Salford's case city might agree with me. They are not boroughs within the city of Manchester and never have been.
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| Quote: Uncle Rico "Oh no they're not and I would say that the vast majority of people who live in one of these towns or in Salford's case city might agree with me. They are not boroughs within the city of Manchester and never have been.'"
Behave - Salford is about 2.5 miles from Manchester City Centre!
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "Behave - Salford is about 2.5 miles from Manchester City Centre!'"
Yeah but it's super special and unique, unlike any other place on earth, a rubiks cube of demographics impenetrable to outsiders.
Only in RL would we get be people arguing that Salford and Wigan aren't in Manchester, Leigh isn't in Wigan, that they don't play RL in Pudsey or Farsley because the teams are called stanningley and Bramley, and not only would they make these arguments but they would do so as evidenced that the game doesn't suffer under the yoke of parochialism. ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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icons1949_files/4193-180guyguyme2003-msnicons.gif The fans, the members, the people there.. from the day I stepped foot onto that field at the AJ Bell Stadium,I knew I would love that club for the rest of my life. "Jackson Hastings"..
Worry a little bit every day and in a lifetime you will lose a couple of years. If something is wrong, fix it if you can. But train yourself not to worry. Worry never fixes anything.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Yeah but it's super special and unique, unlike any other place on earth, a rubiks cube of demographics impenetrable to outsiders.
Only in RL would we get be people arguing that Salford and Wigan aren't in Manchester, Leigh isn't in Wigan, that they don't play RL in Pudsey or Farsley because the teams are called stanningley and Bramley, and not only would they make these arguments but they would do so as evidenced that the game doesn't suffer under the yoke of parochialism.
Now I know your the kid who doesn't give up or at least takes his ball home when he's had enough, but to say the City of Salford is in Manchester is just utter nonsense and total claptrap .
Salford is a major UK city which homes giants of industry like the BBC and ITV . It's a city with it's own Cathedral and University. So please don't ever say Salford is in Manchester.
The City of Salford has borders with the City of Manchester that's where it ends.
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| Quote: Salford red all over "Now I know your the kid who doesn't give up or at least takes his ball home when he's had enough, but to say the City of Salford is in Manchester is just utter nonsense and total claptrap .
Salford is a major UK city which homes giants of industry like the BBC and ITV . It's a city with it's own Cathedral and University. So please don't ever say Salford is in Manchester.
The City of Salford has borders with the City of Manchester that's where it ends.'"
Well that's me convinced. Parochialism certainly isn't a problem in RL ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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icons1949_files/4193-180guyguyme2003-msnicons.gif The fans, the members, the people there.. from the day I stepped foot onto that field at the AJ Bell Stadium,I knew I would love that club for the rest of my life. "Jackson Hastings"..
Worry a little bit every day and in a lifetime you will lose a couple of years. If something is wrong, fix it if you can. But train yourself not to worry. Worry never fixes anything.
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The Stupid Neither Forgive Nor Forget
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"I am not young enough to know everything"
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Well that's me convinced. Parochialism certainly isn't a problem in RL
And in a nutshell is a prime example of the kid taking his ball home. goodnight.
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