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Quote: Cas Till I Die "All hail intellegant proffesor Haggerty, I'm surprised many of us little England racist xenophobes could Muster the intelligence to pick up a pen and actually put a cross in a box let alone research both sides and make our opinion ourselves.

You are in the minority Roy, deal with it and stop acting like such a smug t0$ser'"


Tell you what. You find a single sentence and quote it here where I've described all leave voters in derogatory terms of any sort, and I'll apologise. If you can't, you come here and apologise for being deeply offensive just because I posted arguments which you didn't like.

In fact, take a look at the following quotes from this thread which have been aimed at me, personally

Quote: Cas Till I Die "More of your wallowing self-pity. Grow up man. .... You sound like a very poor loser to me .'"


Quote: Cas Till I Die "All hail intellegant proffesor Haggerty, ....deal with it and stop acting like such a smug t0$ser'"


Quote: Cas Till I Die "You talk even more utter rubbish about politics than you do about RL. .....- grow up and get real and use your own mind rather than borrowing others.'"


Quote: Cas Till I Die "you really don't get it do you. Despite your condescending arrogance ...., pathetic.'"


Quote: Cas Till I Die "Are you an 11 year-old girl perchance?!'"




Perhaps firstly, spend some time trying to find any equivalent statement on here where I personally insult a fellow poster for having different views. I don't mean disagree, I mean actually ad hom attack them.

I'll keep this updated for as long as it takes to make the point. Who is aggressive and insulting here?

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It's your overall tone Roy, I like most people accept and respect anyone's opinions who was eligible to vote. your point of view that all/most people who voted out was either a pensioner and/or uneducated is as a load of cr@p and about as wrong as the polls were. The majority of the people have had enough of the eu.... It might be joe who works at KFC for a living who voted or it might be Rashiq who works as a manager at Barclays.... It doesn't matter, everyone has an equal view and an equal say. You need to deal with what the majority want..... Or move, Upto you.

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Quote: Roy Haggerty "No they haven't. In fact they're currently demanding we start the process NOW, while your Leave leaders are trying desperately to delay. They've also already said there'll be no special deals, and when we're out, we're out. Frankfurt and Paris have already started lobbying to place tariffs on City transactions (our largest export), leading to some financial institutions to talk about relocation. In manufacturing, several multinational companies including Ford, and Ryanair have announced they're suspending or reviewing future investment in the UK starting now. Yesterday many British companies had 20-30% wiped off their value in one day, the FTSE 250 had its largest single day loss ever, and the pound is at a low level it hasn't seen for 30 years.

This isn't opinion. It isn't scaremongering. It's actual fact. It's what actually happened in the last 36 hours.

Leave voters voted for a fantasy based on lies. They told experts that they knew better. Well they didn't. So don't come here talking about French and German "backtracking". That's just as much a lie as the lie that this will reduce immigration (go check what the Leave leaders - not Farage, but the actual leaders like Give, Johnson and Hannan have said in the last 24 hours about how they've no intention of reducing immigration).

We're not in the EU club now. They have no reason to play nice, and every reason to crush us. The proportion of our economy dependent on them is far, far bigger than the reverse. There are no friends in business.

This was a vote for economic suicide. It's of no consolation to be able to say I told you do, because you're dragging me and the other 48% down with you.'"


No it's not it's various bits of alleged news you've chosen to concentrate on - are you by any chance a "Remain" expert.

You talk even more utter about politics than you do about RL. Experts re the most discredited people on earth after Weathermen and VT expert pundits - grow up and get real and use your own mind rather than borrowing others.

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Quote: Cas Till I Die "your point of view that all/most people who voted out was either a pensioner and/or uneducated is as a load of cr@p'"


Except they were - that's another actual fact.

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Quote: Roy Haggerty "Jesus, this is bizarre.

Leaver "Here's a statement which is demonstrably not true"
Remain "That statement's demonstrably not true. Here's a fact instead. By the way, while we know not all Leavers are racist, it's worrying that all the racists and fascists are on your side of this argument."
Leaver "I'm so sick of the remain voters with their sneery superiority telling us facts and quoting experts, and telling us we're al racists. It's precisely when you start insulting all people on one side, like all the Remainers with their snooty metropolitan arguments and "reality" do, that you make things worse."
Remain "Right. You know I didn't do that, right? Not all Leavers are racists. By the way, here's another fact"
Leave "You're at it again. Calling us all racists with your metropolitan sneer of education and knowledge."
Remain "Wtf is actually happening here?"'"


The arrogance of the remain people is staggering it really is and you are the epitome - oh and I voted remain.

Accept it, we lost, we will do just fine and the world has not ended.

The biggest loser is the EU, lost it's 2nd biggest net contributor, it's 2nd biggest economy and it's ply credible Millitary and Diplomatic power (Washington Post words not mine, expert enough for you.

Now if you don't like the outcome of a democratic vote then jog on and live in the EU and let us know how it goes. icon_wave.gif

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Quote: Cas Till I Die "It's your overall tone Roy, I like most people accept and respect anyone's opinions who was eligible to vote. your point of view that all/most people who voted out was either a pensioner and/or uneducated is as a load of cr@p and about as wrong as the polls were. The majority of the people have had enough of the eu.... It might be joe who works at KFC for a living who voted or it might be Rashiq who works as a manager at Barclays.... It doesn't matter, everyone has an equal view and an equal say. You need to deal with what the majority want..... Or move, Upto you.'"


That's not a "point of view". It wasn't my opinion. It was simply reporting the findings of voter analysis. You are personally attacking me for posting a fact which you simply dislike.

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My demographic.

Born and raised in a Labour area.
Last party I voted for Green Party
Age late 30's
Working... double the national average wage.
A-Level educated

Voted... Leave

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Quote: bren2k "Except they were - that's another actual fact.'"


Give over Bren, that's utter gash peddled by as others have suggests the sneering left wing Liberal elite - or as I call them sore losers.

Funny how it's "fact" in the Guardian but "made up" in the Daily Mail.

The voters have spoken, live with it or ship out mate is my advice.

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Quote: Roy Haggerty "Jesus, this is bizarre.

Leaver "Here's a statement which is demonstrably not true"
Remain "That statement's demonstrably not true. Here's a fact instead. By the way, while we know not all Leavers are racist, it's worrying that all the racists and fascists are on your side of this argument."
Leaver "I'm so sick of the remain voters with their sneery superiority telling us facts and quoting experts, and telling us we're al racists. It's precisely when you start insulting all people on one side, like all the Remainers with their snooty metropolitan arguments and "reality" do, that you make things worse."
Remain "Right. You know I didn't do that, right? Not all Leavers are racists. By the way, here's another fact"
Leave "You're at it again. Calling us all racists with your metropolitan sneer of education and knowledge."
Remain "Wtf is actually happening here?"'"



You can point to as many things as you like, but I’m afraid you’re wasting your time trying to debate with the leave camp.

Even if the country goes into recession again they’ll say it’s worth it – “We’ve got our England back”

I just hope if that scenario happens, the Chancellor looks at the oldies first when finding savings, free travel, T.V. licences & winter fuel payments. They’ve never had it so good & yet they're complicit in jeopardising the future prospects of the country, yet a shed-load of them will be dead in a couple of years.

The most bizarre thing for me in this sorry episode is, giving the country the referendum in the first place.

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Quote: vastman "Give over Bren, that's utter gash peddled by as others have suggests the sneering left wing Liberal elite - or as I call them sore losers.

Funny how it's "fact" in the Guardian but "made up" in the Daily Mail.

The voters have spoken, live with it or ship out mate is my advice.'"


The sneering left-wing liberal elite being, in this instance, Michael Ashcroft, ex-Conservative Party Chairman and leading funder of the Leave campaign

lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/ho ... d-and-why/
Quote: vastman "Give over Bren, that's utter gash peddled by as others have suggests the sneering left wing Liberal elite - or as I call them sore losers.

Funny how it's "fact" in the Guardian but "made up" in the Daily Mail.

The voters have spoken, live with it or ship out mate is my advice.'"


The sneering left-wing liberal elite being, in this instance, Michael Ashcroft, ex-Conservative Party Chairman and leading funder of the Leave campaign

lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06/ho ... d-and-why/


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Quote: Wire Yed "My demographic.

Born and raised in a Labour area.
Last party I voted for Green Party
Age late 30's
Working... double the national average wage.
A-Level educated

Voted... Leave'"


No degree, sneer sneer sneer.

They will never get what it's about because they are so arrogant they honestly believe they know better than the plebs - which is basically anyone who doesn't agree with them.

As a remained (but ply just I have to say) I'm frankly embarrassed by these petulant outburst and blatant over exaggerations peddled as truth.

I'm a big enough man to go with the majority.

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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "You can point to as many things as you like, but I’m afraid you’re wasting your time trying to debate with the leave camp.

Even if the country goes into recession again they’ll say it’s worth it – “We’ve got our England back”

I just hope if that scenario happens, the Chancellor looks at the oldies first when finding savings, free travel, T.V. licences & winter fuel payments. They’ve never had it so good & yet they're complicit in jeopardising the future prospects of the country, yet a shed-load of them will be dead in a couple of years.

The most bizarre thing for me in this sorry episode is, giving the country the referendum in the first place.'"


It is odd. I mean, I posted on here that I was concerned that the Referendum campaign had legitimised a poisonous discourse and an aggressive hostility to those who didn't sign up to Leave's argument. The response from half a dozen people has been, to paraphrase "No we're not f@cking aggressive, you sneery , now suck it up and agree with us or leave the country, thick fake intellectual lefty liberalista c@nt".

I feel like, somewhere, irony has died on its .

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Quote: vastman "Give over Bren, that's utter gash peddled by as others have suggests the sneering left wing Liberal elite - or as I call them sore losers.

Funny how it's "fact" in the Guardian but "made up" in the Daily Mail.

The voters have spoken, live with it or ship out mate is my advice.'"


It's not anyone's view or opinion Vasty - it's the actual demographics of the vote; the elderly and the uneducated have voted to Leave in a significant majority - perhaps illustrated by a spike in Google searches the day *after* the referendum, for "What is the EU?"

Interestingly, there is now talk of buyers remorse, with lots of people who voted Leave suggesting that they now regret their decision; couple that with instant u-turns on the 350 million quid for the NHS and stopping the free movement of people by the Leave leaders, and you start to wonder if there aren't further developments to come before this is all over.

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