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The problem is that the doc is confusing two different issues with one solution.

The RFL is crap Which is true

The RFL treated me wrong over me fiddling the salary cap. Wrong.

The solution for me is to get on with the punishment for the SC breaches. But for the chairman to come up with some ideas on how best to run the game. That has to be a c considered and planned step. Not as a knee jerk reaction

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Quote: SmokeyTA "It is a business in every sense. Until we stop pretending that sport is magically different from every other business and our sport is different to any other we will never make any headway. '"

But sport IS different to a business. That's just a simple fact of life. And running A sport is more different still. As I said a business has ultimate power at the top. All the major decisions come from there and nobody else in the business can do anything about it. That isn't true of RL is it? Name me a business that has the equivalent of what Koukash has just done?
That doesn't mean it shouldn't be run "like" a business but you have to recognise the differences. In the end the RFL have little power over the SL clubs.

Quote: SmokeyTA "Not having somewhere to play organised early enough to sell the games property isn't unfortunate circumstance it's just bad business. '"

So which venues were available? It isn't difficult to do. It's not like it takes a great brain to book a venue. It's obvious what the issues are. We don't own any of them. We don't have significant influence over any of them. And we don't bring in any more money than any other event. Why would the venues bend over backwards to accommodate us? The fact is they won't. And they don't. As I said, why would Liverpool be keen to book an RL game in? It's one game, it's unlikely to fill the stadium and it could affect when they play a far, far more lucrative and important premier league game.
Like it or not. We are 2nd choice. And it's got sod all to do with who is organising it.

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]Not having value to Blue chip sponsors isn't some conspiracy or bad luck it's bad business creating a bad image through bad decisions. '"]
It's a combination of bad business and of history. Look where our clubs are based. It's in areas that are generally poor. Our supporter base is and always has been relatively poor. We have to overcome that and change that. But our clubs are so weak from the excesses of the past that we also need instant money. But that bad business is from the clubs. It's they who bring the fans in. It's they who market and produce the deals. And it's they who bankrupted the sport 20+ years ago and have done sod all in terms of improvement since.
You can't discount the history of this sport. Sadly we nearly killed ourselves and we're still reaping the whirlwind of those disastrous, calamitous short term decisions by the clubs.



Quote: SmokeyTA "It's no wonder that blue chip companies don't want involvement with a game that thinks marketing begins and ends with tickets for a fiver and a free beanie hat or some soup.'"

And blue chip sponsors aren't going to be involved in a sport that can't get decent crowds. There's no point whacking up ticket prices when you've done no development work to establish a new, richer set of fans. You'll just end up with fewer of the same fans watching the games.

Quote: SmokeyTA "The RFL is the centralised leadership of the game. What is the sports failure is there failure. That's what they are taking millions of pounds out of the tv contract for. If all they are responsible for is to put on the cc final and organise referees then we can do that for a hundred grand. '"

Theyre the figurehead for the sport but they don't have the clout or teeth to be a centralised leadership. The sport doesn't allow it and we don't have the centralised income for the RFL to get the teeth necessary.
They're responsible for lots of things but don't have the funds to properly do them.
By comparison to the RFL's income of £19m (which without government funding would be pretty much the same as Leeds Rhinos income) the RFU's is in the hundreds of millions and last year spent over £50m just on overheads.

Quote: SmokeyTA "There is a point at which we can no longer blame what happened 35 years ago.'"
Well it's not quite as long ago as that though it appears the bad decisions started around then at the clubs and have continued through to today. We had Wigan and Leeds all but go bust 20 years ago. Of course Bradford more recently and you can see some of the current owners itching to go out and spend on players yet bizarrely won't spend on building their club infrastructure and development in their local areas.
The sport suffered a major heart attack and stroke combined in the 80's & 90's. Sadly we've kept stuffing our faces with bacon sarnies and cakes ever since and wondering why we're only still struggling to get out of bed.
Ever since Super League was inaugurated and Uncle Mo lost his way on mergers etc etc the sport has increasingly shifted power away from the RFL and to the clubs.

If we're in a mess (and we are) then the clubs bear AT LEAST equal blame for getting us here. And it's they, with the £120 million from the TV deal who will have to get us out of it, one way or another.

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Quote: Him "But sport IS different to a business. That's just a simple fact of life. And running A sport is more different still. As I said a business has ultimate power at the top. All the major decisions come from there and nobody else in the business can do anything about it. That isn't true of RL is it? Name me a business that has the equivalent of what Koukash has just done?
That doesn't mean it shouldn't be run "like" a business but you have to recognise the differences. In the end the RFL have little power over the SL clubs. '"
the equivalent of a business criticising the regulatory body? it isnt very uncommon. Sport is not unique. It is not any more different to a supermarket than a media conglomerate is to a leather factory.

Quote: Him "So which venues were available? It isn't difficult to do. It's not like it takes a great brain to book a venue. It's obvious what the issues are. We don't own any of them. We don't have significant influence over any of them. And we don't bring in any more money than any other event. Why would the venues bend over backwards to accommodate us? The fact is they won't. And they don't. As I said, why would Liverpool be keen to book an RL game in? It's one game, it's unlikely to fill the stadium and it could affect when they play a far, far more lucrative and important premier league game.
Like it or not. We are 2nd choice. And it's got sod all to do with who is organising it.
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why dont RU have that problem? or Cricket? or Football? How do we manage to book the GF and CC final? If we cant sell an international to Liverpool why are we holding it there? You are looking at the end, finding excuses and then pretending it was inevitable.

Quote: Him "It's a combination of bad business and of history. Look where our clubs are based. It's in areas that are generally poor. Our supporter base is and always has been relatively poor. We have to overcome that and change that. But our clubs are so weak from the excesses of the past that we also need instant money. But that bad business is from the clubs. It's they who bring the fans in. It's they who market and produce the deals. And it's they who bankrupted the sport 20+ years ago and have done sod all in terms of improvement since.
You can't discount the history of this sport. Sadly we nearly killed ourselves and we're still reaping the whirlwind of those disastrous, calamitous short term decisions by the clubs.
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They can only sell in the environment the RFL create


Quote: Him "And blue chip sponsors aren't going to be involved in a sport that can't get decent crowds. There's no point whacking up ticket prices when you've done no development work to establish a new, richer set of fans. You'll just end up with fewer of the same fans watching the games. '"
But you can create an environment and an image which appeals to a new fanbase.

Quote: Him "Theyre the figurehead for the sport but they don't have the clout or teeth to be a centralised leadership. The sport doesn't allow it and we don't have the centralised income for the RFL to get the teeth necessary.
They're responsible for lots of things but don't have the funds to properly do them.
By comparison to the RFL's income of £19m (which without government funding would be pretty much the same as Leeds Rhinos income) the RFU's is in the hundreds of millions and last year spent over £50m just on overheads.

Well it's not quite as long ago as that though it appears the bad decisions started around then at the clubs and have continued through to today. We had Wigan and Leeds all but go bust 20 years ago. Of course Bradford more recently and you can see some of the current owners itching to go out and spend on players yet bizarrely won't spend on building their club infrastructure and development in their local areas.
The sport suffered a major heart attack and stroke combined in the 80's & 90's. Sadly we've kept stuffing our faces with bacon sarnies and cakes ever since and wondering why we're only still struggling to get out of bed.
Ever since Super League was inaugurated and Uncle Mo lost his way on mergers etc etc the sport has increasingly shifted power away from the RFL and to the clubs.

If we're in a mess (and we are) then the clubs bear AT LEAST equal blame for getting us here. And it's they, with the £120 million from the TV deal who will have to get us out of it, one way or another.'"

Since 1996 the amount of TV money (adjusted for inflation) has gone down. Thats not because of what happened 35 years ago.

This is the RFL's system, its the RFL's tv deal, Its the RFL's organisation and has been for years. We arent here with this system and this tv deal and this environment because the clubs had too much power.

Its the RFL creating an environment where a club is criticised for investing in its product. We can continue to hope that 12 or more clubs independently stumble on to a formula that works but it is very unlikely to happen.

Different sports, and different industries and different companies within those industries show what you need to do to grow. We can continue to insist we are different and that we need to do something different but the results of us doing that wont change.

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I've changed my mind, I don't give a $hit any more. I think it was the discertations that put me off

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It's bizarre to me that there seems to be almost a uniform belief that the game of Rugby League struggles simply because the RFL are "incompetent". Rugby League is and always has been a minority, geographically isolated sport with very passionate fans. Many of those fans simply can't believe that it isn't universally popular and that there has to be an underlying reason and/or someone to blame. They divorce Rugby League from its history and from factors completely outside of the control of anyone in the sport, ignoring that it remains much as it always has been because it's bloody difficult to do anything to shift that status quo in the British sporting market.

The most laughable thing though are the people pointing the finger - Koukash, who has shown nothing at Salford to suggest he understands the strategic requirements for growing the sport within its means, or expanding its player base or fan base. On other occasions it has been Lenagan, who presides over a club whose crowds are consistently falling and who are technically insolvent. Handing over control of the wider sport to the 12 club bosses would be absolute insanity - their self interest would be complete and the rest of the game could go hang. Is the RFL perfect? No. But the clubs and those who run them are even more imperfect and even less transparent.

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Smokey leave Him alone. It's like watching a succesful businessman arguing about the UK economy with a home baker at a village fete cake stall.

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Quote: Stanley30 "I've changed my mind, I don't give a $hit any more. I think it was the discertations that put me off'"


But you don't have to read them, if your brain can't handle more than a sentence then stick to Twitter, or FB statuses.

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Well it seems the League Express on Monday should make interesting reading as they are hinting that many of the SL clubs do not agree with mar and that it will even be difficult for him to get the majority required for a vote. Also Catalans response to Marwan and Marwans usual attempt to have the last word is taking our sport to new depths with an out and out accusation of cheating aimed at Cats and yet again another barb/slur aimed at the RFL. Come on RFL hit him now with the 2015 charges and lets have done with it.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "the equivalent of a business criticising the regulatory body? it isnt very uncommon. Sport is not unique. It is not any more different to a supermarket than a media conglomerate is to a leather factory. '"

So it's not a business then? It's a regulatory body?
Yes it is different. Of course it's different. When are the supermarket playoffs?

Quote: SmokeyTA "why dont RU have that problem? or Cricket? or Football? How do we manage to book the GF and CC final? If we cant sell an international to Liverpool why are we holding it there? You are looking at the end, finding excuses and then pretending it was inevitable. '"

Union own their stadiums and have regular schedules from World Rugby. We don't.
Thanks for proving my point with the GF and CC final. We know when they are, every year, so we can book them. We're also virtually guaranteed a big crowd.
Why do you think we're holding an International in Liverpool?
So what's the reason then? When we prove we can book major stadiums when we know when it's going to be, yet it takes longer when we don't know.
We could of course just cry "INCOMPETENCE!" as loud as possible. Or we could look at the situation and think about it. It's pretty bloody obvious. We've got Old Trafford booked out year on year. Even to the extent that they turned down England RU in the RUWC to keep our business. So we can do that, and Wembley. Yet somehow we're too incompetent to book Anfield.
Don't be daft Smokey.

Quote: SmokeyTA "They can only sell in the environment the RFL create '"

And yet when the RFL try to change that environment there are howls of protest. See franchising, London Broncos, Crusaders, Catalans etc etc.
Plus are we really saying that the clubs, all based in the heartlands bar Catalans, couldn't do more to sell themselves, build their infrastructure, get more or different people in and develop more and better players? Because that is all, entirely, their responsibility. And ALL SL clubs range from merely average to plain useless at those things.


Quote: SmokeyTA "But you can create an environment and an image which appeals to a new fanbase. '"

And who do the RFL have to get approval from before they can do that?
And with what funds do they do that? You're complaining at them taking £6m a year from the TV deal. Most of which is paid back to the clubs anyway.

Quote: SmokeyTA "Since 1996 the amount of TV money (adjusted for inflation) has gone down. Thats not because of what happened 35 years ago. '"

Really? It's because of what started around then and continued right up until SL (and still to a degree continues today). Many people complain that RL sold its soul to Sky in 1996. Well they didn't. It had already been sold to stave off bankruptcy. Clubs selling their only assets left right and centre or letting them fall apart. If clubs had kept up to their stadiums in the good times you wouldn't have had the stagnation we've seen over the SL period. Though that attitude continued in SL and still does. Clubs would (or could assuming they were run properly) have the revenues to increase the salary cap or to put more into youth development etc etc.
Now most clubs have no assets left, they can't do it again. Yet we still see very few clubs actually strengthening as a club. They'll strengthen the first team but nothing else. See Salford as THE example.

Quote: SmokeyTA "This is the RFL's system, its the RFL's tv deal, Its the RFL's organisation and has been for years. We arent here with this system and this tv deal and this environment because the clubs had too much power. '"

Lol. The clubs have agreed to every single one of these things. They get the money. They hold the power. They do nothing with it except look for short term gain. The RFL should be criticised for letting go of control over the last 20 years.

Quote: SmokeyTA "Its the RFL creating an environment where a club is criticised for investing in its product. We can continue to hope that 12 or more clubs independently stumble on to a formula that works but it is very unlikely to happen. '"

You mean Salford? Nobody has criticised Koukash for putting money into Salford. Sadly he ignored areas of his club that would bring LONG TERM success and instead focussed on short term gain. Actually he fits in RL perfectly. Did Salford even qualify for a proper academy this year? Either he went begging to the fans to fund it.

Quote: SmokeyTA "Different sports, and different industries and different companies within those industries show what you need to do to grow. We can continue to insist we are different and that we need to do something different but the results of us doing that wont change.'"

Successful companies look to long term growth and development. To RL clubs, long term means the end of next season.

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Quote: Him "So it's not a business then? It's a regulatory body?
Yes it is different. Of course it's different. When are the supermarket playoffs?'"
yes the RFL is a regulatory body. Where do google sell their lettuce?
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Union own their stadiums and have regular schedules from World Rugby. We don't. '"
Why?
Thanks for proving my point with the GF and CC final. We know when they are, every year, so we can book them. We're also virtually guaranteed a big crowd. '"
]And is there a reason we are incapable of planning ahead and booking games for internationals?
Quote: Him "Why do you think we're holding an International in Liverpool?
So what's the reason then? When we prove we can book major stadiums when we know when it's going to be, yet it takes longer when we don't know.
We could of course just cry "INCOMPETENCE!" as loud as possible. Or we could look at the situation and think about it. It's pretty bloody obvious. We've got Old Trafford booked out year on year. Even to the extent that they turned down England RU in the RUWC to keep our business. So we can do that, and Wembley. Yet somehow we're too incompetent to book Anfield.
Don't be daft Smokey. '"
stay with me here, it seems you have gotten yourself a little confused. If we can book Old Trafford every year, if we can book Wembley every years. What are these unavoidable inherent problems which would stop us booking out other stadiums a year or so in advance? Other than poor negotiation skills and incompetence of course.

Quote: Him "And yet when the RFL try to change that environment there are howls of protest. See franchising, London Broncos, Crusaders, Catalans etc etc.
Plus are we really saying that the clubs, all based in the heartlands bar Catalans, couldn't do more to sell themselves, build their infrastructure, get more or different people in and develop more and better players? Because that is all, entirely, their responsibility. And ALL SL clubs range from merely average to plain useless at those things. '"
Letting the tail wag the dog is bad incompetence not an excuse for it.


Quote: Him "And who do the RFL have to get approval from before they can do that?
And with what funds do they do that? You're complaining at them taking £6m a year from the TV deal. Most of which is paid back to the clubs anyway. '"
None of that 6m goes back to the clubs (that 6m is what they take from SL by the way, not the cc rights or the international rights nor anything else just what they take from SL).

Poor leadership is not an excuse for incompetence simply a manifestation of it.

Quote: Him "Really? It's because of what started around then and continued right up until SL (and still to a degree continues today). Many people complain that RL sold its soul to Sky in 1996. Well they didn't. It had already been sold to stave off bankruptcy. Clubs selling their only assets left right and centre or letting them fall apart. If clubs had kept up to their stadiums in the good times you wouldn't have had the stagnation we've seen over the SL period. Though that attitude continued in SL and still does. Clubs would (or could assuming they were run properly) have the revenues to increase the salary cap or to put more into youth development etc etc.
Now most clubs have no assets left, they can't do it again. Yet we still see very few clubs actually strengthening as a club. They'll strengthen the first team but nothing else. See Salford as THE example. '"
And yet that was worth more than this. Though none of this has anything to do with the RFL's appalling commercial performance

Quote: Him "Lol. The clubs have agreed to every single one of these things. They get the money. They hold the power. They do nothing with it except look for short term gain. The RFL should be criticised for letting go of control over the last 20 years. '"
No they didnt, the clubs rejected the RFL's proposal for the new system, going as far as walking out of the meeting where they voted to reduce the numbers to 12. The RFL told them the super 8s system would be implemented even if the clubs stayed at 14 clubs. The vote was 7-6 with Les Catalans abstaining and the RFL buying support for £300k. The TV deal was 'negotiated' by the RFL and offered to the clubs with an hour to decide. These changes forced through by the RFL were massively unpopular and unwanted by clubs and by players. This, what is happening right now, is the RFL's chickens coming home to roost.

Quote: Him "You mean Salford? Nobody has criticised Koukash for putting money into Salford. Sadly he ignored areas of his club that would bring LONG TERM success and instead focussed on short term gain. Actually he fits in RL perfectly. Did Salford even qualify for a proper academy this year? Either he went begging to the fans to fund it.

Successful companies look to long term growth and development. To RL clubs, long term means the end of next season.'"
So you arent criticising Koukash putting money in to Salford you are just criticising the money Koukash puts in to Salford.

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Successful companies look both short and long term - short term means within the financial reporting year i.e. the season in RL terms. Long term is perhaps 3-5 years max. most likely the intended lifespan of the CEO.

Leeds is a very good example - when Caddice took over what did Leeds do - short term they brought in a load of players, bought Iestyn and got a new coach - Hetherington knew they had to be competitive from the get go. Not a lot different to what Marwan did. Longer term they invested in youth development it took 7/8 for that to bear fruit. Leeds are in a different position regarding youth development the have a bigger pool of youngsters to choose from.

Perhaps if the RFL did a better job at generating income/exposure the clubs would be in a better financial state than they are - maybe not - I do think the majority of owners of SL clubs are pretty shrewd business people these days. The excesses of the past are very unlikely to happen these days.

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     Mens Super League XXX-R3
20:00
Castleford
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20:00
St.Helens
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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
Sat 8th Mar
SL
17:30
Catalans-Leeds
Sun 9th Mar
SL
17:30
Warrington-Wakefield
SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
Thu 20th Mar
SL
20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
Fri 21st Mar
SL
20:00
St.Helens-Warrington
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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