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| Quote: Him "As others have said, it's inexcusable. Ben Thaler got demoted for a week after trying to help the walking, talking Monty Python sketch that is Thierry Alibert reach a not batsh|t decision in Catalans. By comparison this is far worse and at least on a par with the Ganson VR decision in the Hull derby game that spelled the end of his career.'"
That's an interesting one - maybe the mishandling of that situation has spooked the officials; if the best ref in the comp can be demoted for trying to save Mr Alibert from himself, I guess that would have an unsettling effect on the others.
I also noted that Silverwood's narrative from the second he got the referral, sounded like he was attempting to justify agreeing with the on-field call, rather than arriving at the correct decision. Maybe they've all been given the hard word about showing a united front in the face of increasing criticism by coaches and players?
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| Quote: bren2k "That's an interesting one - maybe the mishandling of that situation has spooked the officials; if the best ref in the comp can be demoted for trying to save Mr Alibert from himself, I guess that would have an unsettling effect on the others.
I also noted that Silverwood's narrative from the second he got the referral, sounded like he was attempting to justify agreeing with the on-field call, rather than arriving at the correct decision. Maybe they've all been given the hard word about showing a united front in the face of increasing criticism by coaches and players?'"
Good point, hadn't thought of it in that way.
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| Quote: Him " However in this case the long shot from behind was shown to Silverwood and he even commented on the shot that showed the ball above the ground at all times. '"
That's not correct. Silverwood saw two angles - one in front, and one from behind. The one from behind the play he saw was obscured slightly by a Salford player (Lui I think). The longer shot that clearly, unequivocally shows the ball not hitting the ground only seemed to emerge about 20mins later - it wasn't shown to Silverwood in the decision making.
Not to defend Silverwood. He knows there is a camera there (there always is), he should have asked for that angle before making his decision.
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| The camera shot he saw from behind, despite a players foot in the way, clearly showed the ball still above the floor. He was just determined from the start that his view would be obscured.
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| These 2 screenshots are the lowest the ball the ever gets to the ground in the shot from behind that Silverwood saw. The ball is clearly visible and clearly above the ground.
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| The on-field referee decided it was a try.
To over-rule this, the video ref had to be certain that, at no point, did the ball touch the ground.
As there were points when his view of the ball was blocked, the video ref could not be certain that, at those moments, the ball was not put onto the ground.
Of course, this would assume Solomona has wizardry in his fingertips and sorcery in his blood. But the video ref can't categorically disprove this either, so the try stands.
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| That's pretty much what I said halfway down pg 6 , but there are plenty of "differing" opinions .....
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| In the immediate review after the 'Try' was 'scored', Silverwood did not have the super zoom. He watched the incident on two different angles, twice. The one from the opposite end of the ground (where the super zoom later came from I think) CLEARLY shows the ball never hitting the floor (or even getting within inches). This is without the need for the super-zoom. We all have our own opinions on Jiffy but he was spot on when he stated it was never a try - one thing is for sure, he has half decent vision.
Milner then gets awarded an on-field 'Try' from Childs, which Silverwood correctly deems to be "clearly short" and so over-rules him.
Why he could not have stated on the first instance that the ball is 'Clearly in the air, no try', well only he can tell you that. I assume/ hope he will be available for comment at a Championship 1 ground this weekend...
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| Quote: shinymcshine "That's pretty much what I said halfway down pg 6 , but there are plenty of "differing" opinions .....'"
Yes, but you were serious.
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| Quote: bren2k "Given the stupid rule that forces the ref to guess on a decision before he refers it, Child did nothing wrong; he was unsighted, so he went with what looked like from his angle, a common sense interpretation. For Silverwood to fail to see what everyone else did - that it was never anywhere near grounded - is totally unacceptable.'"
Spot on, as i said previously, without a VR, child would have probably given the try based on his view ( or those of his touch/in-goal judges) at the time.
Subsequent replays would show that he got it wrong, but yet, i imagine, or would hope that most fans (even though one set would feel aggrieved) would accept that he had a second or 2 to make a decision based on what he sees at the time.
Silverwood, didn't, he had numerous camera angles, slow motion replays and more importantly, time to make the correct decision, he failed, not Child.
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icons1949_files/4193-180guyguyme2003-msnicons.gif The fans, the members, the people there.. from the day I stepped foot onto that field at the AJ Bell Stadium,I knew I would love that club for the rest of my life. "Jackson Hastings"..
Worry a little bit every day and in a lifetime you will lose a couple of years. If something is wrong, fix it if you can. But train yourself not to worry. Worry never fixes anything.
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| Quote: Him "Yep I agree with that. We've often seen that situation where Sky suddenly find another camera angle to those that were shown to the VR.
However in this case the long shot from behind was shown to Silverwood and he even commented on the shot that showed the ball above the ground at all times. Yet bizarrely he stuck to the "can't see" line that, going by his comments, it seemed as if he was determined to use as soon as he started. IIRC his very first comments were something along the lines of "can't see what happens. Well it's been sent up as a try." After only a few seconds of looking at just 1 camera shot. He seemed determined that he couldn't see what happened and so wasn't looking properly at the other shot from behind.
As others have said, it's inexcusable. Ben Thaler got demoted for a week after trying to help the walking, talking Monty Python sketch that is Thierry Alibert reach a not batsh|t decision in Catalans. By comparison this is far worse and at least on a par with the Ganson VR decision in the Hull derby game that spelled the end of his career.'"
Good point in fact his incompetence was from the off when a try was sent up in the first half when he said "yes it's gone backwards off " Dobson or S'au ". At that early stage I received a text message which said you can see how this game's going in reference to the fact he was going to give the try no matter what.
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| Quote: Salford red all over "Good point in fact his incompetence was from the off when a try was sent up in the first half when he said "yes it's gone backwards off " Dobson or S'au ". At that early stage I received a text message which said you can see how this game's going in reference to the fact he was going to give the try no matter what.'"
Ok Marwan, your right, the whole of the RL world is clearly against Salford.
Child is not exactly the best ref in the comp (although he is marginally better than Cobb) and bad decisions happen in every game.
Sometimes they are at critical moments and other's don't have a major effect.
Most of us can get over the poor calls but, the VR should be right 99.9% of the time yet, they seem to make the wrong call quite often which probably means we should get rid altogether.
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| Quote: shinymcshine "The point is that the onfield descision was TRY.
The VR then had to provide conclusive evidence not to give the try. From all the shots at the time nothing was conclusive to show whether the ball was or wasn't grounded, hence the VR has to go with the onfield decision.
You can debate whether or not the precedence of onfield vs VR calls should be changed , but not that the VR should have disallowed a try when he could'nt tell either way if it had been grounded or not.'"
Richard, you're flogging a horse so dead, even the maggots have left the scene.
No debate on precedence etc is required. Just the possession of at least one normally functioning eye, and being actually bothered to fcking LOOK for whether the ball was actually grounded. Which everyone but you very clearly saw it never was. Stop trying to pretend there was some doubt in this.
What very clearly occurred is the VR forgot to check whether the ball ever was grounded, and in so doing, joined the top-5 all time list of criminal VR cockups.
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icons1949_files/4193-180guyguyme2003-msnicons.gif The fans, the members, the people there.. from the day I stepped foot onto that field at the AJ Bell Stadium,I knew I would love that club for the rest of my life. "Jackson Hastings"..
Worry a little bit every day and in a lifetime you will lose a couple of years. If something is wrong, fix it if you can. But train yourself not to worry. Worry never fixes anything.
Mary Hemmingway, US journalist,widow of Ernest Hemmingway (1908-1986)
The Stupid Neither Forgive Nor Forget
The Naive Forgive And Forget
The Wise Forgive But Don't Forget
"I am not young enough to know everything"
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Ok Marwan, your right, the whole of the RL world is clearly against Salford.
Child is not exactly the best ref in the comp (although he is marginally better than Cobb) and bad decisions happen in every game.
Sometimes they are at critical moments and other's don't have a major effect.
Most of us can get over the poor calls but, the VR should be right 99.9% of the time yet, they seem to make the wrong call quite often which probably means we should get rid altogether.'"
Why the need for the Marwan comment ? I know all about Salford's short comings as I've followed them longer than I care to remember, and personally couldn't give two hoots who's against us.
However the comment on "Dobson or Sa'u " was in fact in reference to the clown in the video box "Silverwood" not child. I knew at the time it was a try for Cas but the point being the man at the screen couldn't care less who he saw touching it as he said and I quote it was either "Dobson or Sa'u" and was giving the try even if it bounced off your head.
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| Quote: Salford red all over "I know all about Salford's short comings as I've followed them longer than I care to remember, and personally couldn't give two hoots who's against us.'"
Nobody is against you - which was probably the point of the Marwan comment.
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