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Quote: Cronus "My point is I know a lot of teachers. That applies to you also though. Just because you think it is acceptable and you don't think he should face punishment doesn't mean your standards are applicable. No amount of capital letters or derogatory adjectives will make my opinion less valid than yours.

You've also taken what I've said out of context. Do I think Wane thinks Bentham is bent? No. I don't think Hardaker thinks Monaghan is homosexual either. But in the heat of the moment they said something they shouldn't have said. Hardaker faced the consequences. The game must be consistent in some form.

At the time, something in Wane's head has made him think the ref is against him. He lost rational judgement and blurted out something he shouldn't have. He needs a reason to try harder next time.

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Quote: Wellsy13 " icon_smile.gif

P.s. 'seeking to impose' is not the same as 'getting to impose'. You're a teacher, you should know that.

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Quote: Wellsy13 "The fans so not represent the club or the game in a professional capacity, so no they should not apply equally. It's a ridiculous conclusion to draw from what I've said.'"



Not really, homophobic comments would be frowned upon in either case. Calling a referee "bent" in the context of being biased could fall under slander laws and would be treated equally.

However, the very fact this thread exists and started down the homophobic route is just pathetic. Let all coaches show there frustrations in vocalisation rather than passively sitting in the stands as if there's not even a game going on and all fans stop being so precious about some words said to nobody but himself.

No coach should have to watch what they say in the context it's just that we have this offend-nobody or fans criticising because they can attitude.

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I should imagine that this is first and foremost an issue for the Wigan club. Shaun Wane was at work when he made the alleged comment and as such, Wigan RLFC are vicariously liable for his behaviour; if they feel that his behaviour reflects badly on them or worse, risks some form of sanction, they should speak with him about his conduct in the workplace.

Personally, I don't like to see professional coaches doing their nut like an angry Dad coaching an U13 side; it's not a good look for the sport, the club or the individual concerned.

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Wellsy is spot on. Wane has a responsibility in his position for his actions. With the game as good as won I cannot think of any/many other SL coaches would react that way & accuse the ref of corruption. Only the most paranoid would think that way. As a manager I have a responsibility for how I behave in my professional capacity. If I act beyond accepted values & behaviours I have to accept the repurcussions, no matter how stressful my job. Whereas in some work areas of the people I manage it is still accepted that shouting & swearing is part of the job.

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Quote: Cronus "Unfortunately for you, that reason isn't because Wellsy has decided it must be so.

Shouldn't have? By whose standards. Yep - yours. You even admit Wane didn't mean what he said, so in essence you want some form of punishment for a randomly caught, highly emotional private outburst even though it was nothing more than that and not a genuine statement of opinion, and actually not on a public platform despite mega-friggin-zoom treating us all to such a wonderful moment.

Have you ever coached a adult RL team? I have. It's a crazy mix of a rewarding, maddening & frustrating - an emotional rollercoaster you simply can't understand unless you've been there, and I've done my nut many times, as have many, many opposition coaches. It's way, way more emotional than playing. I'm not going to castigate Wane for shouting something to himself given - as you admit - he didn't even mean it.

Trial by Sky Producer. Trial by Wellsy. Give over. For want of a better phrase: grow a pair.

Teachers. Meh. What an excellent post - and from someone who seems to be able to empathize with Wane.

As a huge Wane fan I sometimes find myself trying to defend him for his crassness. But I think most posters have done that more than adequately. Sense does seem to have prevailed.

I love his passion for the game and for Wigan in particular. I do think that in this instance a quiet word from Ian Leneghan might be in order. But nothing more.

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Quote: goobervision "Not really, homophobic comments would be frowned upon in either case. Calling a referee "bent" in the context of being biased could fall under slander laws and would be treated equally.'"

Homophobic comments are me then frowned upon of done by a professional sports man. The game has little jurisdiction over fans other than banning them from the ground. They don't work for the game. They're not professionally responsible.

However, you are right about slander laws applying equally, and that would only be if the referee made a complaint and had proof and wanted to pursue it, not the game AFAIK.

Quote: goobervision "However, the very fact this thread exists and started down the homophobic route is just pathetic. '"

In terms of him being accused of homophobia, I agree. Only someone with an agenda would think that he meant it in that context.
It doesn't ignore the other context of the word though.

Quote: goobervision "Let all coaches show there frustrations in vocalisation rather than passively sitting in the stands as if there's not even a game going on and all fans stop being so precious about some words said to nobody but himself. '"

Coaches can vocalise their frustrations all they want. I'm not against that. Accusing the referee of being corrupt is not acceptable though from a coach. Nor is calling someone a f**, a n***** or any other discriminatory word.

Some people don't recognise their needs to be a line until theirs is crossed.

Quote: goobervision "No coach should have to watch what they say in the context it's just that we have this offend-nobody or fans criticising because they can attitude.'"

Why? Why should a coach be allowed to say what they like? This is what I don't understand. He is paid by the game. The game gets money from image And broadcasting rights. They cannot just do what they like. They have to follow acceptable codes of practice like everyone else in their jobs.

It's ironic that people complaining about those being offended are being offended by those complaining.

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Quote: Cronus "Unfortunately for you, that reason isn't because Wellsy has decided it must be so.'"

What other reason would that word come to his head at that time? It doesn't take a genius to work out what he meant. There's a reason that word came out and not "elephant" or "Cronus".

Quote: Cronus "Shouldn't have? By whose standards. Yep - yours. '"

I'm pretty sure the respect code of conduct covers coaches shouting out words such as "bent" to describe match officials in public...
And it's not just my standards really, is it? Your cute little outrage I'd getting amusing.

Quote: Cronus "You even admit Wane didn't mean what he said, so in essence you want some form of punishment for a randomly caught, highly emotional private outburst even though it was nothing more than that and not a genuine statement of opinion, and actually not on a public platform despite mega-friggin-zoom treating us all to such a wonderful moment.'"

It wasn't private. No matter how much you keep saying it, being in a stadium of 40,000 people on national television is not private.
Had he been shouting racial slurs, would that still be OK? You don't seem to grasp this concept that he needs to still show restraint.

Quote: Cronus "Have you ever coached a adult RL team? '"

Yes. I've coached all ages. Your little story is interesting, but not applicable to all adult coaching. You really are narrow minded, aren't you...

Quote: Cronus "I have. It's a crazy mix of a rewarding, maddening & frustrating - an emotional rollercoaster you simply can't understand unless you've been there, and I've done my nut many times, as have many, many opposition coaches. It's way, way more emotional than playing. I'm not going to castigate Wane for shouting something to himself given - as you admit - he didn't even mean it.'"

There's a difference between being an amateur coach not being paid and a professional coach being paid. The two roles are not equal. Again n something you continue to forget. You can't just say what you like at work.

Quote: Cronus "Trial by Sky Producer. Trial by Wellsy. Give over. For want of a better phrase: grow a pair.

Teachers. Meh. Did a teacher steal your missus or something? Or were you another one of those "teachers hated me" kids at school?

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eusa_snooty.gif Surprised it's not broken the internet.


Ohmygod the crowd are swearing now. I've only got so much faux outrage I can express in one evening.

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Still trying to find evidence of any word or words physically injuring or killing someone.

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Bentham massively assisted the defenders of Wane tonight.

He conclusively proved he's not bent at all.

Just not very good.

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Quote: Leaguefan "Still trying to find evidence of any word or words physically injuring or killing someone.'"

Off with his head? Fire?

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"Don't argue with an idiot. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

Think I'll leave it at that. Some people clearly refuse to argue the point and instead wish to make strawman arguments.

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Quote: roversmad "Off with his head? Fire?'"

Hmmmm icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: roversmad "Off with his head? Fire?'"

Hmmmm icon_rolleyes.gif

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