But...but...but...

Ball on floor. Finger on ball. Try.

I assume 80 minutes of late hits on kickers is also NRL rules, and flops, and interference

If they dont want to apply basic rules why bother with highly complcated ones?

If you want to talk about late hits on kickers, how many did Cam Smith do on Matty Smith?

Nobody complaining about Widdop's massively forward pass at the play-the-ball just before the "try"? Bloody useless, bent refs...

Arguing over millimetres.

If Ryan Hall had put his hand 3 inches to the right, it'd have been a try. He didn't. He, at best, caught it with his little finger.

Technically, that would make it a try, although I still think the video evidence isn't conclusive. However, morally, is that a try? I'd say not.

Whatever, Engand lost. If they're going to win, they need to play better. Simple as that.

I think you're all forgetting that we weren't playing by the International rules book this morning, but the Australian one, whereby Australian refs are used to referee Australian games, and the laws of the game are applied much more strictly to the opposition.

The try decision was ridiculous, especially considering the awarding of the Jennings try.

Dubious desicions throughout the game, particularly in the second half. Matty Smith getting smashed each time, players flopping and holding down, Burgess having the ball stripped, Hall playing at the ball following Walker's stray pass.

downward pressure?.....glancing blow?...the game is open to debate, but the video was "supposed" to kill that off

"Had tit been a try I think the player would have celebrated," Sheens said. "Had he scored he would have been jumping up and down but he wasn't, they went down and waited for a goal line drop out."

Australian captian Cameron Smith said: "I think they were trying to bluff the referee, a lot of teams do that".

Come on boys, get your story straight.

basic rules....when you have an English captain who doesnt follow basic rules , why should the refs

Aye, I think that's more how I feel, rather than outraged. A sarcastic, 'aye well done lads' aimed at their celebrating fans was what crossed my mind, rather than angry indignation. Years of failure and falling expectation take the edge off too of course. For the players too, I think - I reckon the Aussies would have been flying in to celebrate if it were they other way, while ours trot back for the restart, anticipating the worst. Justifiably as it turned out, but maybe self-fulfillingly too?
The Aussies will do whatever it takes to win, and that can be a positive but when you're falling back on picking officials that looks like a weakness, more than a strength. Still, they won and to the extent they'll think about it or accept it looks a bit ropey, I'm sure they'll feel the ends justified the means.

it was a 50/50 call that went the Australian way...I would rather have debate/discussion about a refs bad call than pages on pages about a video refs bad call?...time to end the video farce for me.A ref can be excused as its in real time, the video "should" be perfect

Stop being so level-headed, there’s no place for comments like that .

If the Aussies had been given that try there would have been uproar on here .

Good game that, we’re slowly getting closer, now a number of our lot are playing in the NRL. The introduction of Hunt gave them an extra spark, but their forwards were immense in the second half, they just seemed to give that extra effort which wins big games

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Exactly my point, to time a ' tackle ' so accuratly for a full 80 minutes and be termed as ' already committed' shows real quality

Or just a poor officiating performance

Enough b*tching and moaning. Enough. We have to be strong. Looking at the tournament so far it's anyone's. Beat NZ next week by 10 or more and we're in the final, probably against australia.

You didn't really think we would end our drought without beating australia in the final, the winner takes all game? It's our destiny.

Unbelievable . How can anyone try and justify that it wasn't a try or a fifty fifty call.

There is clear evidence that the ball is on the ground with Ryan Halls finger on it. The hand comes down fr above the ball therefore it must have ha downward pressure. Simple laws of physics. There is no argent. Full stop.

Saying that the English didn't celebrate? WTF? Does the video ref go on how convincing the celebration is - is that part of the International laws.

Saying it was a rising ball. Has there been even 1% evidence that the ball was rising.

The facts are:

100% evidence hall has his hand on the ball.
100% evidence the ball was on the floor.
100% wvidence that halls hand comes down onto the ball to apply pressure.
100% Aussies VR
100% Aussie ref.
100% No try given.


Go figure that.