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Quote: A-Fire-Inside "I explained the facts of it and nothing more, and let them reach their own conclusion. I only voiced how I felt about it after I'd finished. '"

So a completely neutral tone if voice? No facial expressions or gestures? These communicate more than your words ever could.

Quote: A-Fire-Inside "Have seen a few people referring to the NFL play-offs as being complicated when trying to justify this system, but they're really not are they? In fact, I explained them in one tweet yesterday. Could anyone do the same with the new RL structure?'"

I wasn't referring to the NFL play offs. That wouldn't be like for like.
Explain to me the structure of the NFL. Go on...

I can explain the SL play offs in a few words. Top 8 play each other once in round robin, then top four play semis and a final. Complicated? Not at all.

Quote: A-Fire-Inside "When people actually start to care about the Champions League - ie when the groups are set - the competition from that point on is hardly complicated is it??'"

But again, not comparing like for like. If you're going to hold the new SL structure back as being complicated, and include the Qualifiers in that structure, you have to do the same for every competition.

Out of the two examples, you've basically just cut out the difficult parts as not mattering, and then said they're simple really. Apply that principle to SL and the same happens.

You clearly have an agenda.

Quote: A-Fire-Inside "There's going to have to be some creative selling when it comes to flogging season tickets for 2015 I'd say - presume the 'extra' games will be all pay? That's worked out really well for play-off crowds in recent years hasn't it?'"

For someone saying there needs to be creativity, you've not thought out of the box there at all.
Here's a thought... sell a season ticket for 14-15 games. If you get a 15th game, bonus! If you don't, better luck next year.

They could even sell Super 8 tickets, where you get tickets for all 7 games (home and away).

Quote: A-Fire-Inside "IAnd the third 'Super 8' *cringe* is pretty pointless really isn't it - all those clubs are playing for is to avoid 7th and 8th. Real chance that by the time of the split there'd be teams adrift at the bottom anyway. In that scenario there'd be a lot more meaningless games than there is now!'"

A trophy is a trophy. Is it any more meaningless than the NRC?

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Quote: Wellsy13 "
A trophy is a trophy. Is it any more meaningless than the NRC?'"

Or the Commonwealth Games?

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Quote: Wellsy13 "

I wasn't referring to the NFL play offs. That wouldn't be like for like.
Explain to me the structure of the NFL. Go on...
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2 conferences, 4 divisions of 4 teams in each. Each team plays 16 games. 8 home, 8 away.
There you go. The structure of the NFL regular season.

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I understand the new structure better than the current playoff system tbh.

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Quote: Wellsy13 "
Here's a thought... sell a season ticket for 14-15 games. If you get a 15th game, bonus! If you don't, better luck next year'"
I dont want to do that. Why should i pay more for the same as someone else? Especially when the quality of some of the opponents im paying to see could drop massively part way through the season. Doesnt seem the best use of my entertainment money.
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They could even sell Super 8 tickets, where you get tickets for all 7 games (home and away).'"

That sounds a good idea to me, I dont need to bother shelling out for those early season games. I can just buy a season ticket for a lot less for the important part of the season. Plus at this stage ill know who we are playing and if we are in that bottom part i dont need to bother. Brilliant money saving option for me as a consumer.

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Quote: Wellsy13 "So a completely neutral tone if voice? No facial expressions or gestures? These communicate more than your words ever could.'"


I can't answer that - as I didn't have anyone filming me explaining it at the time, funnily enough icon_cheers.gif

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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "With the endless moaning about lack of intensity, too many teams in the playoffs, no hope of promotion, blah, blah, I’m happy to see how it goes.

At least we get rid of the turgid Club Call.
haha, excatly. For the bloke whinging that the system is hard to explain to non-RL fans, explain the current playoff system to them, explain that teams in the bottom half get a chance to win the GF, explain the (alien to most in the UK) concept of no relegation to them, and see their faces then.

Clubcall - what a joke that is.

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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "With the endless moaning about lack of intensity, too many teams in the playoffs, no hope of promotion, blah, blah, I’m happy to see how it goes.

At least we get rid of the turgid Club Call. never understood why people hated club call so much. I barely remembered it was happening most years, when i did it was a bit of a talking point.

Im not saying i miss it but i find it hard to hate it.

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Quote: Errlee Berd "Not too difficult to understand really?'"


Of course not - to serious RL fans. You really think potential new fans are going to be convinced by it though?

Why is three different playoff systems needed for the four divisions?

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Quote: A-Fire-Inside "Of course not - to serious RL fans. You really think potential new fans are going to be convinced by it though?

Why is three different playoff systems needed for the four divisions?'"
Because they are trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. They picked a system, realised there were massive holes in it and rather than start again and find one that will work they are trying to bodge this one.

But we shouldnt worry, apparently now the championship is going to force up the standard of SL by virtue of its comparatively small funding and managing to sell one whole round to broadcasters.

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Is it that hard to imagine that the problems with the system, which we won't know until the structure starts, might be ironed out over the next few years - little changes to improve it?

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I think some have been a little kind saying it's just 16 games in the NFL regular season.

Current formula

Currently, the thirteen opponents each team faces over the 16-game regular season schedule are set using a pre-determined formula[5] Since 2010, all Week 17 games have consisted solely of divisional contests, in an attempt to increase competition after several cases of playoff-bound teams resting their regular starters and playing their reserves.[6]

And then there is the playoffs.

So don't spout the basics and say it's simple.

That's just the same as saying the new system is a 24 team league with 2 conferences and 3 divisions.

30 games in total

'simples'

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Quote: bewareshadows "I think some have been a little kind saying it's just 16 games in the NFL regular season.

Current formula

Currently, the thirteen opponents each team faces over the 16-game regular season schedule are set using a pre-determined formula[5] Since 2010, all Week 17 games have consisted solely of divisional contests, in an attempt to increase competition after several cases of playoff-bound teams resting their regular starters and playing their reserves.[6]

And then there is the playoffs.

So don't spout the basics and say it's simple.

That's just the same as saying the new system is a 24 team league with 2 conferences and 3 divisions.

30 games in total

'simples''"
That isnt the structure of the league its the formulation of the fixture list. An incredibly complex task in any league but one which nobody needs to pay attention to.

This BTW is the Premier Leagues own answer to how their fixture list is forumulated for the most simple of structures a home and away round robin.

........A computerised system is used to determine the fixtures. Once a draft schedule is produced the schedulers then consult with the Fixtures Working Party, which is made up of representatives from clubs across the Leagues and from supporters' organisations.

The final stage concludes with a consultation meeting with the Association of Chief Police Officers and the British Transport Police.

However, there are many factors that need to be taken into account before the computerised system can compile the fixture list successfully.

Fixtures can only be set once dates for other competitions have been confirmed, eg the FA Cup, UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League, and these considerations can make it difficult to find slots for some games.

In addition , there are exceptions when clubs or local authorities make specific requests if, for example, a major event is being held in the city on that day and a police force requests that a club has an away fixture. For these reasons fixture dates can change throughout the season.

We will always try to give at least four to six weeks’ notice when fixtures move and recommend that supporters do not book non-refundable travel or accommodation until live television selections and other factors such as cup matches have been determined..............



Also ours isn’t a 24 team league with 2 conferences and 3 divisions. It’s a 12 team league that has 4 more teams (from a different 12 team league) join part way through, then splits in to two to play in essentially two different competitions for two different prizes.

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