Would you go to Mcdonalds and buy a box of 6 chicken nuggets, someone asks you how many chicken nuggets do you have? do you open the box look at the 6 chicken nuggets in there and say “well I bought them together, I couldn’t buy them separately, they all came for one price, I couldn’t eat some leave come back and eat the rest, i couldnt pay for only part of them. I couldnt only buy 5 if i only intended to eat 5, I didnt buy them independantly so I guess I have 1 chicken nugget”?

the point is people paid double the price of a normal single group game at other venues so the attendance should be counted for each game....

It was a clever ploy for once by the organisers to boost the crowds for both games by combining them at the same venue....

If you've not noticed, the elements on the other threads about this have been moved into one new thread to stop it flooding the other threads.

That doesn't mean each game was half the value of the ticket, so no I don't agree.

Does anyone remember the days when this forum used to be full of people talking about a sport that they care passionately about, rather than a bunch of maths geeks arguing about the best methodology and Excel formulae for counting empty seats?

It is a strawman because you're attempting to make me say something I'm not in an effort to make you sound superior and have an easier argument to win.

I have not ignored the Wales/Italy game. I have merged it with the England/Australia game into one event because in effect that is what happened. I'm not pretending one wasn't there. When you're not comparing like-for-like, you have to pick the way which paints the most accurate picture of your data, otherwise it's meaningless.

Pretending that 90,000 watched both games is statistically incorrect. At the same time, pretending that 22,500 watched each game is also incorrect. Merge then together as one event (which it was) will give you the most accurate statistic.


I don't know why you'd say it's because I don't like the results. I'd love for it to be true! But I'd be hypocritical to scoff at rugby union doing it and then agree with it when league does it.

And yes, I can counteract that. Quite easily. It's impossible to say how many attended each game when they've got a ticket for one event. There were definitely not 45k in attendance at Wales vs Italy as many left after the England game. That is why it would be unfair to say 90,000 attended both games. Just like it would be unfair to say 120,000 attended 4 games of the Magic Weekend. There is no way to tell how many are at each game.

No one has said that as far as I can see, 45,000 people watched both games, which if you can't see the difference then theres no point having the debate.

Did they? Or did half of them go home after game one?

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What a shocking argument. Are you really comparing that to what I'm saying?

You're saying that I'm calling two games one game by using that analogy. I'm not and never have (again, another straw man). I've called them an event. So no, I wouldn't say "I have one chicken nugget", I'd say I have one box of chicken nuggets, one (box) being the quantity of items I bought, just like one ticket to one event was sold. Not two tickets to two games. That wasn't an option.

If there was a survey about the number of chicken nuggets eaten, I wouldn't expect to be included 6 times of I only ate one. Just like someone shouldn't be included twice in an attendance statistic if they only watched one game. There is no accurate way to tell who stayed for both games.

Merge them

You didn’t merge them, you just pretended one didn’t happen. 28 games were played, 28 games had attendances. If you only count 26 whether through merging, mating, amalgamating, ignoring or whatever you want to call it. You aren’t dealing with the full dataset.

We aren’t comparing like for like. The same teams aren’t involved, the games aren’t held at the same stadiums with the same capacity and we put it as double header for the reason of increasing attendance. You are basically saying you aren’t counting the increase in attendance because we did things to increase attendance.
Not one person has ever pretended that 90k watched both games at any stage. Everyone bar a few readily accepts that 45k watched the 1st, and 45k watched the 2nd. A figure of 90k is as irrelevant as Gutterfax’s made up figure of 22.5k and as ridiculous as you just simply ignoring the game happened at all.

Nobody has said that 90k attended both games. However many times you accuse people of it, it still wont be true. That is, what you like to call ‘a straw man’. Similarly no-one has argued that 120k attended the 4 games of MM, this again is one of your beloved straw man, this one is even wearing a hat.

All I, or anyone else has said is that 45k watched game 1, 45k watched game2. 45k watched both. The same with MM. 30k watched game 1, 30k watched game 2, 30k watched game 3, 30k watched game 4. 30k watched all 4

And it certainly isn’t impossible for you to know how many people attended each game, we know the figure, it is 45052.