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Quote: SmokeyTA "going back to what didn't work before would just be silly.'"


How did it not work before? There's no perfect system, but the one we had before worked a damn more than licensing!

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Quote: Bull Mania "How did it not work before? There's no perfect system, but the one we had before worked a damn more than licensing!'"

Worked for who? The multitude of clubs who went bust either chasing SL or avoiding relegation? The youngsters who never got a game because clubs were fielding 15 overseas players to avoid relegation?

What worked better the less investment in facilities? The less investment in youth development? The importation of kolkka stiffs?

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: bewareshadows "There can't be a split. A split will simply mean the end of RL as a pro game.'"

How so? If they split, then the chances are the RFL/SKY TV deal gets ripped up and SKY negotiate a new deal with the new SL group.
Quote: bewareshadows "Saints and the like voting for a split would mean a nice shiney new stadia, empty with no team playing there.'"

Again, how so? Of the teams NOT mentioned in the story, only Leeds would be a major loss. St's v Wire, Wigan would still sell well enough. Aldo, if these were to be a 10 team division, then I have no doubt that the management structure would put in place central marketing teams to assist clubs to generate individual ticket revenues.

Quote: bewareshadows "The shareholders of the clubs would have spent alot of cash on nothing.'"


Sports club ownership is rarely about profit. I suspect what Mt Hughes and Ken Davy already know, the Good Dr at Salford and the barrow boys at Bradford will soon discover.

Quote: bewareshadows "You can't run a 6 team league, even with Wigan and Saints in it, even a 10 team league is pushing it.'"

10 teams is perfectly acceptable.....27 regular season games 13/14 then 14/13. Top 4 play-offs. Replace Magic weekend with a RL9's weekend played in London (Craven cottage) LIVE on FTA TV.
speaking of FTA coverage, highlights show on FTA with a broadcaster who will show it at a decent hour nationally.

Quote: bewareshadows "It sounds like more of a childish tantrum by those clubs. '"

It is nothing of the sort. IL and the clubs named are concerned that they are being railroaded into yet more structural changes that in essence are designed to cover up the failings of the RFL to a) govern the game properly, b) manage those licenced clubs effectively and even handedly and c) generate a brass farthing in revenue outside the TV deal .

Quote: bewareshadows "But the PR will do the game no harm at all.'"


Reading some conspiracy theorists on here, with particular emphasis on the media bias, then this will be a front news celebration by the IRB/RFU at the demise of RL d040.gif icon_lol.gif d040.gif

I Would suggest that the meeting will end with no decisions made and there will be 6 weeks + of political wrangling and a settlement will be reached after the RLWC with the minimum being a change of senior management at the RFL.

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Quote: gutterfax "
IL and the clubs named are concerned that they are being railroaded into yet more structural changes that in essence are designed to cover up the failings of the RFL to a) govern the game properly, b) manage those licenced clubs effectively and even handedly and c) generate a brass farthing in revenue outside the TV deal .'"


That hits the nail on the head IMO.

The RFL (well Nigel Wood in essence) seem to think yet another round of structural changes will solve everything. It is fiddling while Rome burns and is a very head in the sand approach that simply ignores the main issue which is lack of revenue.

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Quote: JobsForTheWives "Rumour has it that they are going to vote against the RFLs plans at the EGM on Wednesday.
Chaos Awaits.'"

This happened pre SL and look at the mess the WHOLE GAME is in, in this country courtesy of that.
Personally I would want the game to use the ethos that caused its creation but since GREED and self importance allied to short termism along with incompetent club directors then the way forward for the game in this country is surrounded by fog

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Quote: Wildmoose "You can't move the goalposts so radically at such short notice. There's a lot of debate going on over the World Cup in Qatar. It's 9 years away. If the RFL were running it we'd probably be having meetings a few weeks before the tournament.'"


I'm sorry, but you're mad. the decision to hold the soccer World Cup in Qatar is several orders of magnitude more barking than the combined wildest dreams of the entire RL board.

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Quote: gutterfax "Pure speculation.....but

Bradford: will support RFL if RFL ratify new owners.
I seriously doubt Salford will be supporting the RFL.Koukash has been very vocal about how he perceives the RFL to be poorly run.He has probably spoken out against the RFL more than any other Chairman this year.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: JobsForTheWives "I seriously doubt Salford will be supporting the RFL.Koukash has been very vocal about how he perceives the RFL to be poorly run.He has probably spoken out against the RFL more than any other Chairman this year.'"


Chairman Kou and his little red club?

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "I'm sorry, but you're mad. the decision to hold the soccer World Cup in Qatar is several orders of magnitude more barking than the combined wildest dreams of the entire RL board.'"

C'mon, the decision is due only to the bank rolling nature of the host FA/predicted profiteering of FIFA from the event and that no matter what time of year the Football world cup would be held it would have very little bearing on any nations domestic competition never mind UEFA or the other regional associatons and soccer's governing bodies would see to it that it would work seamlessly. Just because they don't agree is another matter but it'll get sorted with zero actual impact, that is because they have the organisation/infrastructure to make the changes if need be & financial clout with money that would run RL for 50 years globally on one years revenue stream.. If you can't see the imbalance of impact then you're barking mad...

Of course the host nation is expected to make huge profits/income streams (Germany 2006 quoted around $400M extra tourist money with $3 BILLION in retail sales in a month!)

Everything that the RFL does/doesn't do has a massive and very direct impact on Rugby League because we cannot absorb mistakes readily, even small ones because we are a damn poor sport surviving by the seat of our pants on a shoestring, batting way above our league (pardon the pun) in terms of what we actually offer relative to our revenue in comparison to other sports. Losing the main sponsor has had a really detrimental effect, I reckon the loss of the money has impacted the 21s/19s structure as well as others.

IF, and it's a big if we had more income from sponsors coming in commensurate to what the sport actually gives then RL in this country at least would be on a far better footing at all levels and have a healthy future. As it is the so called guardians of our sport have been letting us the fans and the clubs down for decades and we have what has been sown..absolutely feck all. icon_evil.gif

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Quote: bewareshadows "There can't be a split. A split will simply mean the end of RL as a pro game.

Saints and the like voting for a split would mean a nice shiney new stadia, empty with no team playing there.

The shareholders of the clubs would have spent alot of cash on nothing.

You can't run a 6 team league, even with Wigan and Saints in it, even a 10 team league is pushing it.

It sounds like more of a childish tantrum by those clubs. But the PR will do the game no harm at all.'"

There's lots of ways this could pan out, but a 'split' is definitely one of them if nobody is in the mood to back down. However, it won't end up with (say) just 6 clubs going it alone for very long. Nobody is going to split unless they're certain they have the TV deal lined up, in which case, the 'splitters' will basically win the argument, and any self-interested club offered the chance will join them. Leeds, for example, may well ( I have no idea ) side more with the RFL than the 'rebels' at this time, but if the rebels win (i.e. get the TV deal lined up ) then Leeds would almost certainly join them.

Yes, the 'split' is a possibility (though a negotiated climbdown is more likely) but any split will quickly become an overwhelming victory for one side or the other and thus cease to look like a 'split' and more like a change of management. In practice, if a split happens, there can only be one winner - the rebels, since they wouldn't have split in the first place without the TV deal, etc.

One thing for sure, it's not a childish tantrum to refuse to tolerate mediocrity or worse year after year.


Given the current state of affairs, I think the RFL leadership must surely step down on the grounds of having lost the confidence of too much of the sport. Regardless of who's right and who's wrong, at some point you just have to say "we haven't got your confidence and therefore can't do the job".

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "I'm sorry, but you're mad. the decision to hold the soccer World Cup in Qatar is several orders of magnitude more barking than the combined wildest dreams of the entire RL board.'"

I'd quite happily hold the RLWC in Qatar if they wanted to give the sport a few hundred million oil dollars.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: RLBandit "I'd quite happily hold the RLWC in Qatar if they wanted to give the sport a few hundred million oil dollars.'"

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Quote: RLBandit "I'd quite happily hold the RLWC in Qatar if they wanted to give the sport a few hundred million oil dollars.'"


Good for you. As long as you don't mind all the workers dying constructing the stadiums, or seeing how RL looks when played in 50 degree heat. A career in sports administration awaits.

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So that is the RFL emascualted and rendered incapable of even nominal leadership. I know plenty felt they weren't capable of effective leadership anyway, but we're stuck with a governing body that clearly can't govern. People talk about the EPL breakaway, but they left the Football League and went to the Football Association. The clubs are now on their own and I expect cracks will soon start to appear. They'll either sort something or more likely vote themselves to a stand still.

The 'status quo' that the Halifax chairmen mentions isn't an option, however much some in SL might wish it otherwise. They themselves stuck the dagger into licensing. They could go for full-blown NRL-style franchising, but that is very much not a whole sport solution and would likely lead to a split. Though unusually it could be end up coming from the second tier.

Worrying times - though they've done the right thing to put it into the long grass until after the WC. Gives everyone some time to stare over the precipice, which might do some good.
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So that is the RFL emascualted and rendered incapable of even nominal leadership. I know plenty felt they weren't capable of effective leadership anyway, but we're stuck with a governing body that clearly can't govern. People talk about the EPL breakaway, but they left the Football League and went to the Football Association. The clubs are now on their own and I expect cracks will soon start to appear. They'll either sort something or more likely vote themselves to a stand still.

The 'status quo' that the Halifax chairmen mentions isn't an option, however much some in SL might wish it otherwise. They themselves stuck the dagger into licensing. They could go for full-blown NRL-style franchising, but that is very much not a whole sport solution and would likely lead to a split. Though unusually it could be end up coming from the second tier.

Worrying times - though they've done the right thing to put it into the long grass until after the WC. Gives everyone some time to stare over the precipice, which might do some good.


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