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| Quote: Chris28 "I refer you to my last sentence'"
As a Leeds fan I felt the same in 2007, when the same official made an error which also brought about the wrong result at the end of the game. However, that time Mr Ganson made the mistake of not deferring to the video ref for a decision & made the decision himself. The subsequent video replays proved that he had made an incorrect call in not doing so... but this situation was far worse & a much bigger error!
Lets go back to 2007 and play out an alternative theoretical outcome!
Mr Ganson has doubts about Jordan Tansey being behind Kevin Sinfield when the penalty is taken in the dying seconds of the game, which of course resulted in Tansey regathering the ball from the missed kick & scoring the match winning try. He calls time off, puts the square-in-the-air & defers his decision to the video ref. What happens next? Well, the argument put forward at the time was that of course the video ref would clearly have seen, as the video replay angles proved, that Tansey was offside & the try disallowed. It was obvious! Well, that the theory!
So, in actual fact, this is where we got to today. Mr Thaler has doubts about whether the try scorer (and other Hull players chasing downfield) where on-side when the ball was kicked & defers his call to the video ref Mr Ganon. So, myself, everyone else watching the live game on Sky, the commentary team on Sky, Stuart Cummings, even the players on both sides watching the big screen, could see that the try scorer was in front of the kicker when the ball was kicked, he wasn't played on-side by the kicker as he was always behind him, Eden never touched the ball, meaning the try scorer could not get within 10m of the ball, never mind pick it up & score a try!
It was a huge error & one that should never have happened. This game, unlike in 2007 BTW, should be replayed to maintain the integrity of the game & the video ref system.
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| Tbh I don't disagree, except for the replay bit.
The one thing I am certain of is that Ganson has gone to bed with a big smile on his face. Another rugby showpiece where the talk is about him rather than the games or the players. Hollywood, we can only salute your ego.
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| Quote: Chris28 "Tbh I don't disagree, except for the replay bit.
The one thing I am certain of is that Ganson has gone to bed with a big smile on his face. Another rugby showpiece where the talk is about him rather than the games or the players. Hollywood, we can only salute your ego.'"
After reading this, I don't think he will have gone to bed with a smile on his face & suspect he probably might have a restless night - rlhttps://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/bradford-bulls/when-the-weekend-s-magic-just-vanished-for-ganson-1-5709181rl. Not least for giving this interview now... never mind anything else!
This quote in particular - “As a ref, when you give a decision but then someone else – who is watching a video monitor with replays – tells you it’s wrong you’d hope you are getting the right information. But instead it was him who got it wrong."
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| Won't have to replay it.
Just received an email from the club saying Hull FC will give a point to Hull KR for fairness.
Amazing gesture by Adam Pearson.
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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "The wrong call was made & therefore, in the case of this game, the wrong result was reached as a result of the officials error.'"
Can't be right. We are repeatedly assured on here that the officials never, ever affect the outcome of a game. Moreover no mistake by an official is ever as bad as the mistakes made routinely by players and coaches. Ever. So clearly folk need to get off Gansons back as he can in no way shape or form be held responsible.
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| Quote: Inflatable_Armadillo "This game, unlike in 2007 BTW, should be replayed to maintain the integrity of the game & the video ref system.'"
Give over daft lad.
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| so we are saying an honest mistake is unforgivable. more unforgivable then players who deliberately cheat. like holding on to a tackler to milk a penalty(or possibly a sin binning), by throwing a forward pass and know its forward but think the reward is worth the risk given refs miss things, by poleaxing a player and risking him serious injury(and we all know some players have track records for this), by reefing the ball out without the officials seeing and gaining the ball.
all of those things directly influence the outcome of the game. and they are done by players cheating to gain an advantage. on purpose, not an accident.
bad decision yes. but the end result is no different from a try allowed from a forward pass whether in the 5th minute or the 75 minute if those points prove decisive. or if a foward takes a half back out and only goes on report,but the other side are deprived of a play maker. he may get a ban but its no comfort to the side who lost the game due to a lack of ball player.
so therefore everybodys saying making an honest error is worst then deliberately cheating
he got it wrong, get over it. every team in sl has gained results from bad decisions
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| Quote: Eddie Marks "so we are saying an honest mistake is unforgivable. more unforgivable then players who deliberately cheat. like holding on to a tackler to milk a penalty(or possibly a sin binning), by throwing a forward pass and know its forward but think the reward is worth the risk given refs miss things, by poleaxing a player and risking him serious injury(and we all know some players have track records for this), by reefing the ball out without the officials seeing and gaining the ball.
all of those things directly influence the outcome of the game. and they are done by players cheating to gain an advantage. on purpose, not an accident.
bad decision yes. but the end result is no different from a try allowed from a forward pass whether in the 5th minute or the 75 minute if those points prove decisive. or if a foward takes a half back out and only goes on report,but the other side are deprived of a play maker. he may get a ban but its no comfort to the side who lost the game due to a lack of ball player.
so therefore everybodys saying making an honest error is worst then deliberately cheating
he got it wrong, get over it. every team in sl has gained results from bad decisions'"
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| I just cant see how it was possible to get it so wrong when it was so obvious. Tracked the wrong player? Watching the replay Im not sure how that is even possible given its pretty easy to follow who picks the ball up. I just question Ganson`s motives behind the decision.
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| If he actually did "track the wrong player" then he'd have seen that player didn't pick up the ball. Even the apology has a whiff of bulli about it and makes it look more bent than, as you would hope, incompetent.
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| It's a real shame - up to the closing minutes, that was by far the best game of the day. The Yeaman 'try' was questionable, but how he could get the final one wrong is absolutely beyond me. It spoiled the game and by extension, put a tarnish on the whole event.
I wonder what Thaler thought as the TRY came up; having watched it several times on the big screen, he must have known full well that it was the wrong decision. Couldn't he have said, "You've got that wrong Steve," and forced another look?
For mine, the game should be retrospectively declared a draw.
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| Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "I just cant see how it was possible to get it so wrong when it was so obvious. Tracked the wrong player? Watching the replay Im not sure how that is even possible given its pretty easy to follow who picks the ball up. I just question Ganson`s motives behind the decision.'"
What are you suggesting?
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| Quote: rover49 "Moderated comment to take out accusation. Sorry lad but you just can't say that.'"
I only posted the truth. If he wants to sue me, let him, I think there is ample video evidence to back me up.
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| Quote: Kosh "Can't be right. We are repeatedly assured on here that the officials never, ever affect the outcome of a game. Moreover no mistake by an official is ever as bad as the mistakes made routinely by players and coaches. Ever. So clearly folk need to get off Gansons back as he can in no way shape or form be held responsible.'"
In 99.9% of cases the above is totally correct & I agree that officials almost never effect the outcome of a game... however, for the first time in the video ref era, this unfortunately was that time. Lets also remember the governing body & the official have admitted it was an error and that is also unprecedented in the video ref era.
So what do we do about it?
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| Quote: bren2k "For mine, the game should be retrospectively declared a draw.'"
Under which Operational Rule or Bylaw?
And can we then expect every single game where the ref makes a huge error to have the result set aside? Because that would happen every single week.
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