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Richie, you can keep asking till the cows come home, smokey doesnt answer questions, the simpler you make them, the more complicated he will reply to them, its his brand of talking bollox
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Copy and pasteathon'"
I'd debate against you Smokey, but your past behaviour on all forums and even current behaviour on this thread indicates you always entrench yourself in a position and either don't read or only selectively read any points made. As pointed out again, points were made showing the benefits of the cap, but either by selective or unconscious non-comprehension, you miss them. That being the case, if you can't absorb that kind of discussion, what's the use in me trying to engage in one with you?
Wooden Stand is a different matter. He might as well be a posting bot. I don't think he actually reads any posts other than his own - he even quotes his own. |
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| Quote: Starbug "Richie, you can keep asking till the cows come home, smokey doesnt answer questions, the simpler you make them, the more complicated he will reply to them, its his brand of talking bollox'"
Well, that was the shorter version of what I typed whilst you posted  |
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| Quote: Richie "I'd debate against you Smokey, but your past behaviour on all forums and even current behaviour on this thread indicates you always entrench yourself in a position and either don't read or only selectively read any points made. As pointed out again, points were made showing the benefits of the cap, but either by selective or unconscious non-comprehension, you miss them. That being the case, if you can't absorb that kind of discussion, what's the use in me trying to engage in one with you?
Wooden Stand is a different matter. He might as well be a posting bot. I don't think he actually reads any posts other than his own - he even quotes his own.'"
Thats a cop out and you know it, the total of your argument in favour of the cap consists of Quote: Richie "
Following another year where at least five clubs had a real shot at winning the title as recently as a week ago, and a club making their first GF appearance Why do you think talent isn't being distributed?'" I did address this, i didnt ignore it, but if this is your 'benefits of the cap, i just assumed you had something better. It isnt a justification for this cap above all others. If you are arguing for this cap, you need to show why this cap is the best, why that one single positive you believe you have found is done best under this cap. You seem unwilling to do this |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Thats a cop out and you know it, the total of your argument in favour of the cap consists of I did address this, i didnt ignore it, but if this is your 'benefits of the cap, i just assumed you had something better. It isnt a justification for this cap above all others. If you are arguing for this cap, you need to show why this cap is the best, why that one single positive you believe you have found is done best under this cap. You seem unwilling to do this'"
Why would I with you though Smokey? As stated earlier, you either by choice or inability don't absorb responses which don't fit your agenda, and take a approach of a debate being something to "win" rather than viewpoint to be sold.
Until you can show you have the ability to absorb and consider information used by others, you will never make any progress.
I notice nobody else has shown any willingness to respond to you. |
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| Quote: Richie "Why would I with you though Smokey? Quote: Richie "]
Its not for me. You have taken a standpoint, but refused to state why. That’s all you. If you want to just say, “Im in favour of this SC, but im not going to give any reasons why, nor any evidence for it” then fine, that’s you’re prerogative. All I’ve have asked is for you to back up the standpoint you have with reasoning and evidence, like I have when you have asked me to back up my stand point.
It seems strange for you to say that im not interested in what you have to say, and im ignoring your points, when the only thing I have asked of you is that you put down, why YOU are in favour of THIS cap, and I still don’t know why you are refusing to do so. If I have ignore where you have put why you are in favour of this cap then prove me wrong, pick out the bits in your previous posts and show them, if you haven’t tell us why. If anyone is avoiding answering the question its you.
Its a fairly clear question, humour me, why are you in favour of this cap above all others?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Why would I with you though Smokey? '"
I could be interested in what you have got to say Smokey, but what's the point if you can't consider responses?
I could give a list of reasons, which you'd copy and paste into a multi-section quote, and then selectively ignore (the Grand Final appearance as your only measure of "success" being just one such recent example) either by choice or inability, what was raised next.
So many people have been through that so many times with you. Why would anyone bother again? |
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Ok then, don't. You're in favour of the sc but you aren't going to back it up. That's fine
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "
Ok then, don't. You're in favour of the sc but you aren't going to back it up.
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Can anybody else then come out and say why they think the current Salary Cap Regulations are a good thing for the game in this country?
I can't see anything good about them and I personally would therefore scrap them immediately. |
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| Quote: Wooden Stand "Can anybody else then come out and say why they think the current Salary Cap Regulations are a good thing for the game in this country?
I can't see anything good about them and I personally would therefore scrap them immediately.'"
Plenty have, you just haven't read it. |
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Ok then, don't. You're in favour of the sc but you aren't going to back it up. That's fine'"
When you can show the forum you can discuss, we might. Until then, we won't. Even in that last post, you show you can't. |
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| Quote: Richie "When you can show the forum you can discuss, we might. Until then, we won't. Even in that last post, you show you can't.'"
I dont have anything to prove to you, especially considering your comments to wooden stand and how massively hypocritical you look when pretending to be some kind of bastion of civility whilst simultaneously patronising and insulting people.
Nobody is interested in your personal opinion of me, mine of you, how precious you become when people ask you to back up your opinion or how much of an I am, how important you think you and your opinion are or how much time we can waste talking about why you wont tell us why you think what you think. These things are self evident. Lets Get over it. |
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The main virtue of the current salary cap is its simplicity - something that is so very rare in other RFL regulations.
However, I am coming around to the idea that clubs that can afford it should be allowed to pay one player outside of the cap, or something along those lines. That would be a reasonable compromise IMO.
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Quote: Mild Rover "The main virtue of the current salary cap is its simplicity - something that is so very rare in other RFL regulations.
However, I am coming around to the idea that clubs that can afford it should be allowed to pay one player outside of the cap, or something along those lines. That would be a reasonable compromise IMO.'"
It used to be quite simple, though in true RFL style we know have exceptions for long serving players, for certain amounts for certain players and the Sam Tomkins panic clause of paying a secret player, a secret amount outside the cap, if the RFL decide you get some on a secret sliding scale dependent on an ever changing England/England Knights squad selection, that only applies for the 2012 and 2013 season.
Having one player outside the cap, would be a very simple, and transparent rule change. It would be better for us to drop the cap by £200k and give a single exemption to a player so we can attract and keep even a few stars. But instead we got this wierd fudge which makes little sense and lacks even a semblence of transparency. Even if nothing else happened or changed, cleaning up this Sam Tomkins clause fudge would improve the cap massively.
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Quote: Mild Rover "The main virtue of the current salary cap is its simplicity - something that is so very rare in other RFL regulations.
However, I am coming around to the idea that clubs that can afford it should be allowed to pay one player outside of the cap, or something along those lines. That would be a reasonable compromise IMO.'"
It used to be quite simple, though in true RFL style we know have exceptions for long serving players, for certain amounts for certain players and the Sam Tomkins panic clause of paying a secret player, a secret amount outside the cap, if the RFL decide you get some on a secret sliding scale dependent on an ever changing England/England Knights squad selection, that only applies for the 2012 and 2013 season.
Having one player outside the cap, would be a very simple, and transparent rule change. It would be better for us to drop the cap by £200k and give a single exemption to a player so we can attract and keep even a few stars. But instead we got this wierd fudge which makes little sense and lacks even a semblence of transparency. Even if nothing else happened or changed, cleaning up this Sam Tomkins clause fudge would improve the cap massively.
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