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Quote: wrencat1873 "Bearing in mind the state of the game. If Toulouse are added to SL, that will mean 2 fixtures out of the 13 home games (plus London), where there are very few away supporters.
Now, there are so many folk on here clamouring for a reduction in the no. of teams in SL due to the "financial state of the game", how do we think a team with no travelling support will help ?
Also, although there is a novelty value in visiting France to watch SL and it is a great experience, it is unlikely that many fans will be able to afford 2 trips per season.
There is of course the potential fo increased TV cash but, what about the fans ???
We are already being taken for a ride in so many ways but, this matters not a jot.'"


IMO away fans should be be considered in such decisions. Look at American sports where they use franchishes, no away fans there. If it can be financed then I'd rather Toulouse.

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Quote: richie166 "IMO away fans should be be considered in such decisions. Look at American sports where they use franchishes, no away fans there. If it can be financed then I'd rather Toulouse.'"


How many games do you go to ?
Personally, I miss 2-3 games per season and although I've been to the Caltalan away fixture, depending on the timing, it's not always possible.
IMO, we should be encouraging as many fans as possible to travel away as it significantly adds to the atmosphere at matches and as fans, we want to attend as many games as possible and support our team.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "How many games do you go to ?
Personally, I miss 2-3 games per season and although I've been to the Caltalan away fixture, depending on the timing, it's not always possible.
IMO, we should be encouraging as many fans as possible to travel away as it significantly adds to the atmosphere at matches and as fans, we want to attend as many games as possible and support our team.'"


Away games? Not many at all, a 8 hour round trip to see an inevitable loss isn't too tempting icon_smile.gif

I agree that a good number of away fans makes a better atmosphere but wth 11 out of 14 clubs still coming from the north there would a vast minority of games with not many away fans.

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I think clubs can afford to miss out on one more team not bringing a couple of hundered fans! Cost them 5grand in income? Hardly going to break the bank.

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Why are we obsessed with money coming in. Why not lower the salary cap so that ALL teams in SL can afford it, would make all games closer and increase the fans though the gates for the smaller clubs, who would then not be smaller as the fans think they have a chance of doing something. So what if we lose a few to RU? There are plenty of amateur players who would play for 30k a year, 20 player squad is 600k a year, which is much less than the SL cap. Forget about the aussies for a while, the game is on its arris. If we did this and sky would go for a 2 tier league with 10 full time pro clubs in each, then we can rebuild again, have P&R between the 2 leagues, and P&R between the semi pro league below as long as the stadium, or plans for a stadium that is suitable were in place.

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Let's say you remove Bradford and put in Toulouse....what impact is that going to have on the remaining 13 SL teams?

Bradford bring about 500 to London and the same to Catalans........let's say they average 1,000 for all the other teams, with 2,500 for Leeds.

Let's call it 15 notes a ticket......and 15 notes in beer/food.

That's 30k in lost revenue for most teams, 75k for Leeds and 15k for London and Catalans

London Broncos will turn over about 3.5 million this year.....that's 1/2 of a %......leeds will turn over nearer 6 million......so 1.2% of their Turn over...say most of the other clubs turn over 4.5 million...it's 2/3 of a %.....

Away fans and their financial impact are a myth...........

If you replace Bradford with Halifax you make no real financial difference to the rest of the league, but you further marginalise the sport as a northern hobby!

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There has to be a punishment for the level of mis-management Bradford have overseen.

May not mean a team coming up, but you can't allow a club to do that and carry on as though nothing happened.

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Quote: gutterfax "Let's say you remove Bradford and put in Toulouse....what impact is that going to have on the remaining 13 SL teams?

Bradford bring about 500 to London and the same to Catalans........let's say they average 1,000 for all the other teams, with 2,500 for Leeds.

Let's call it 15 notes a ticket......and 15 notes in beer/food.

That's 30k in lost revenue for most teams, 75k for Leeds and 15k for London and Catalans

London Broncos will turn over about 3.5 million this year.....that's 1/2 of a %......leeds will turn over nearer 6 million......so 1.2% of their Turn over...say most of the other clubs turn over 4.5 million...it's 2/3 of a %.....

Away fans and their financial impact are a myth...........

If you replace Bradford with Halifax you make no real financial difference to the rest of the league, but you further marginalise the sport as a northern hobby!'"



It can't, by definition, marginalise the sport any further, as Fax and Bradford are about 8 1/2 miles apart but, by swapping the Bulls for Fax, it wouldn't exactly be expanding the game !

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Quote: gutterfax "Let's say you remove Bradford and put in Toulouse....what impact is that going to have on the remaining 13 SL teams?

Bradford bring about 500 to London and the same to Catalans........let's say they average 1,000 for all the other teams, with 2,500 for Leeds.

Let's call it 15 notes a ticket......and 15 notes in beer/food.

That's 30k in lost revenue for most teams, 75k for Leeds and 15k for London and Catalans

London Broncos will turn over about 3.5 million this year.....that's 1/2 of a %......leeds will turn over nearer 6 million......so 1.2% of their Turn over...say most of the other clubs turn over 4.5 million...it's 2/3 of a %.....

Away fans and their financial impact are a myth...........

If you replace Bradford with Halifax you make no real financial difference to the rest of the league, but you further marginalise the sport as a northern hobby!'"

Leeds turnover is about £11m IIRC

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Swapping Bradford for Tolouse wouldn't be expanding the game. All it would be doing is draining money from it to prop up an unsustainable club once again. Catalans worked because it is in RL heartlands and they have no direct competition. However Toulouse is a RU town and always will be. They couldn't sustain a championship team so a SL is never going to work.

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Quote: Nat (Rugby_Aholic) "Swapping Bradford for Tolouse wouldn't be expanding the game. All it would be doing is draining money from it to prop up an unsustainable club once again. Catalans worked because it is in RL heartlands and they have no direct competition. However Toulouse is a RU town and always will be. They couldn't sustain a championship team so a SL is never going to work.'"


Perpignan is a RU town more than RL - USAP get bigger crowds than the Cats

when the Cats started the crowds at UTC & St Esteve were like the crowds at nearby Pia et al - the RL crowds were cultivated as will happen at Toulouse when they are admitted either now or in a couple of years time which would be preferable

Toulouse is a much richer city than Perpignan with huge investment possibilities, more so than Perpignan and the Toulouse catchment area is immense also taking in Villeneuve, Albi, St Gaudens and others

a semi successful TO13 side would attract about 8K-10K when established like the Cats

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Quote: sanjunien "Perpignan is a RU town more than RL - USAP get bigger crowds than the Cats

when the Cats started the crowds at UTC & St Esteve were like the crowds at nearby Pia et al - the RL crowds were cultivated as will happen at Toulouse when they are admitted either now or in a couple of years time which would be preferable

Toulouse is a much richer city than Perpignan with huge investment possibilities, more so than Perpignan and the Toulouse catchment area is immense also taking in Villeneuve, Albi, St Gaudens and others

a semi successful TO13 side would attract about 8K-10K when established like the Cats'"


Someone on here talking sense SPOILER ALERT ! icon_wink.gif

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Quote: sanjunien "Perpignan is a RU town more than RL - USAP get bigger crowds than the Cats

when the Cats started the crowds at UTC & St Esteve were like the crowds at nearby Pia et al - the RL crowds were cultivated as will happen at Toulouse when they are admitted either now or in a couple of years time which would be preferable

Toulouse is a much richer city than Perpignan with huge investment possibilities, more so than Perpignan and the Toulouse catchment area is immense also taking in Villeneuve, Albi, St Gaudens and others

a semi successful TO13 side would attract about 8K-10K when established like the Cats'"


"When" not "if". You seem pretty certain about that. Do I smell more dodgy deals done behind closed doors?

Mind you, it's common knowledge that the reason they left the Championship was because they were never going to qualify for SL via that route so once they were no longer a member they could be "invited" to join.

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Unless Im mistaken the fact there is a franchise system in place would mean the RFL would have to break the law to admit Toulouse in to SL simply because it is impossible for them to meet the criteria they set. Then again when has breaking the law ever concerned the RFL. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Greg Florimos Boots "Unless Im mistaken the fact there is a franchise system in place would mean the RFL would have to break the law to admit Toulouse in to SL simply because it is impossible for them to meet the criteria they set. Then again when has breaking the law ever concerned the RFL.
Clubs outside the UK can be ' invited ' to enter SL

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