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The whole idea of franchising was to give clubs a chance to build themselves and ultimatly make the game stronger, rather than making short term decisions just to survive in the top league.

I don't think this has changed.

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Quote: paulhudd28 "they have p and r in every other sport i can think of and it works.its the 1 thing about rugby league i hate with a passion.thats what makes football more exciting. knowing that teams like swindon town or bury can get promoted to the premiership by what they do on the pitch. not how big there fan base is or any of other of the daft rules that have been brought up.'"


You are incorrect with many of your thoughts. There are rules in place which can stop teams being promoted to the Premier League, such as ground capacity, club ownership rules and numerous other daft rules. There are plenty of other sports that a franchised within the UK such as RaboDirect PRO12(Rugby Union),British Basketball League, Elite Ice Hockey League and Women's Super League(football)

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Licencing has been around for four years! If it was forty, then maybe I could see the problem.

Regardless of whether P and R or franchising was in place, the majority of clubs would still need financial backers to stay in business, whether through a sugar daddy or RFL assistance. Thus, the assumption that some fans are under that promotion and relegation would be more likely to keep clubs afloat is irrelevant, since in almost all professional sports in this country, not just rugby league, it is very difficult to operate for a profit. Crusaders, Wakefield and Bradford were really the victims of poor management; their financial downfall wasn't caused by the system itself, although in fairness, the RFL should have been stricter when inspecting them.

What the franchising system does demand and encourage is the development and maintenance of young talent in the LONG TERM (which seems to be an alien concept to many posters), and we are already seeing the fruits of that. Such an incentive just didn't exist before franchising, as survival was the only goal.

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Quote: nw636 "Licencing has been around for four years! If it was forty, then maybe I could see the problem.

Regardless of whether P and R or franchising was in place, the majority of clubs would still need financial backers to stay in business, whether through a sugar daddy or RFL assistance. Thus, the assumption that some fans are under that promotion and relegation would be more likely to keep clubs afloat is irrelevant, since in almost all professional sports in this country, not just rugby league, it is very difficult to operate for a profit. Crusaders, Wakefield and Bradford were really the victims of poor management; their financial downfall wasn't caused by the system itself, although in fairness, the RFL should have been stricter when inspecting them.

What the franchising system does demand and encourage is the development and maintenance of young talent in the LONG TERM (which seems to be an alien concept to many posters), and we are already seeing the fruits of that. Such an incentive just didn't exist before franchising, as survival was the only goal.'"



So England are going to win the rugby league world cup cos franchising is working?

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Quote: j.c "]

So England are going to win the rugby league world cup cos franchising is working?'"


Why would you think that?

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I think that the game is in a worse state now than before franchising and that anyone who disagrees needs their head examining.

The lack of buzz surrounding the game is very evident this season, interest levels are dropping by the year

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I think the game is in a better state now than before franchising and anyone who thinks different needs their head examining.


The buzz around games is getting better and better, and spectator levels are growing both at the games and on TV.

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Interesting how few Championship club fans are for franchising.

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They cant see the benefits for the whole of RL, all they can see is how it impacts their own club.
they would rather live in the boom and bust that nearly devastated the game than a slow, steady growth.

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Clubs making massive losses and the lowest sponsor incomes for years, the game needs something to boost it. If it rains heavily next November the game in this country could be in real trouble.

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Lowest sponsor incomes coinciding with one of the worst recessions in memory? Funny that. Not at all surprising that marginal sports such as RL suffer out of proportion in bad times either.

Meanwhile, crowds seem to be holding up pretty well, and there are far more talented young British players in the game than there were even five years ago. I'm sure Huddersfield would have held their nerve and backed the likes of Cudjoe et al if they were threatened by relegation. One bad season and they wouldn't have reverted to type and signed a few more Aussies to bolster their side. No, really.

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Exactly, as soon as the Giants were safe from relegation they began to bring more and more young players through, and now have a back line the could grace any club in te comp.

Leeds have had that luxury for years and so have brought through the brightest and best, same for Wigan and Saints - all able to mix the very best internationals with the brightest youngsters.

None of which is thinkable if you languish in the lower half of the table fighting off relegation.

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Quote: Knock On Nigel "I think that the game is in a worse state now than before franchising and that anyone who disagrees needs their head examining.

The lack of buzz surrounding the game is very evident this season, interest levels are dropping by the year'"


Given that attendances yet again are on the increase this year and the buzz has been pretty phenomenal this season I'm surprised you can even suggest that.

Franchises are hopefully here to stay. We need to be a sport that allows its premier teams to develop talent. There's a debate to be had about the number of teams in the competition (twelve appears to be the optimum amount) and a few other things but not on franchising as a concept. Tinker with how it works maybe but going back to P&R will just turn the tail end of Super League into football where teams invest in players, not to develop talent, but to avoid relegation with no care whatsoever about individual player development.

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Quote: Code13 "Exactly, as soon as the Giants were safe from relegation they began to bring more and more young players through, and now have a back line the could grace any club in te comp.

Leeds have had that luxury for years and so have brought through the brightest and best, same for Wigan and Saints - all able to mix the very best internationals with the brightest youngsters.

None of which is thinkable if you languish in the lower half of the table fighting off relegation.'"


Wakefield, Salford and London dont seem to be showing the same progress despite languishing in the bottom half of the table year on year without the threat of relegation hanging over them.

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That's because they still have the threat of relegation over them.

Hth.

Oh, were you thinking P&R was gone?

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