The LLS is just a precursor to the GF

When i go for an Indian it's not the Prawn Puri i'm looking forward to but the Lamb Madras that comes after, i enjoy both but i can do without the former.

Strange how average crowds have increased massively since 1997 which was the last year where the champions were decided by league position?

Unlike you however I won't attribute cause and effect to one single issue as the whole business of Rugby League is much more complicated than that.

Huddersfield, like Warrington, finished above Leeds and didn't make any finals in 2011.

I doubt people are queuing up to say Huddersfield had a better year than Leeds on the back of final SL standings?

It's Leeds by a street over Wire - 2 finals and SL champions. Not even close.

Seeing as your understanding of irony is clearly as dimunitive as your understanding of how Superleague works, I really think that giving up is probably your best option. You exhibit all the reasoning capacity of Catherine Tate's Lauren. Which bit of my post do you fundamentally disagree with...or is a genuine response beyond you?

Sorry, though, the chance of me having a heart attack on accounts of your peurile resentment is about as great as the chance of Gary Hetherington conceding the Championship to Wire on accounts of they won more games in the League.

What people are forgetting about the current system is that everyone knows the rules before the start of the season. I am not saying Warrington did not deserve their shield, I am not saying they were not the best team throughout the regular rounds, but surely if the format did not include the play-offs then the league would have played out differently.

Clearly saints and leeds both played their games to peak at the right team and managed it. Had the comp been decided by who was top of the league then I am sure they would have chosen to peak sooner.

I don't for a second actually think that Leeds are a better team than Warrington or Wigan to be honest. But all the teams know the rules at the start of the season, we all know that the champions are the team who wins at Old Trafford, like it or not those are the rules.

Any Warrington fans suggesting they are happy to be the current holders of the shield rather than being CHAMPIONS and lifting the super league trophy at Old Trafford, and then getting a chance to compete in the WCC against the top aussie side... well... you are seriously deluded. If you can honestly say you would rather have the shield than be champions, so be it.... go and win the shield every year and let the rest of us compete for the big prize, to become champions.

Lets go back to 2010. Wigan finished top of the league and then went on to become champions at Old Trafford. Lets changed that for a second and say Wigan finished top of the league and then Warrington became champions. Would we have Warrington fans arguing that Wigan had the better season? You must be joking!

Give it a couple of years, nobody will remember that Warrington finished top, but everyone will remember that Leeds won the GF, I hate to say it this year but that is what matters, they did it for the 5th time and it was a superb achievement which I doubt will be overshadowed by a cold night in Hull with a crowd of 16,000.

I don't think many Warrington fans are Odem, quite the opposite most of us are still pig sick, i'd give back our LLS and 2 Wembley visits to get the GF trophy.

Thanks for that! Try make your point without the personals Chief, Now go and have a lie down.

Need to start winning play-off games first

I personally think the title could honestly be wires next season. However, if you don't finish in the top 2 I can't see you going away to top teams and winning in that kind of game after having chances at home for the last few years.

My pleasure. If at any time you'd chosen to address my point, rather than respond with ludicrous denial and childish sarcasm, maybe it wouldn't have got personal.

You seem to believe that I'm a bit wound up, need to lie down, in danger of a heart attack etc. Far from it mate. I'm mildly amused and perhaps a little impatient ... but that's understandable....


... I'm still waiting for a sensible answer.
If you want to see how it's done you need to look no further than Odem and Yed's discussion on this thread.

As with the minority of Wigan fans who tried to defend the same nonsensical position last year (before the GF but at the end of the regular season), most of the minority of Wire fans holding the flat earth view of the value of the LLS will disappear if they win the GF.

TBH I wouldn't be at all surprised if Wire do win it next year. Tony Smith was probably right in saying that they needed more tough games - walkovers are not the best preparation for big games.

I don't buy into this argument at all. They had a week off to prepare for one game against a Leeds side who they outplayed all season. They lost and Leeds were the better team. It all came down to that game in the end, the only lost by two points and their season was over. I don't think it is to do with anything other than Leeds being 2 points better than them on the day.

What an idiotic comment! our sport crowns the team that wins the GF, finishing top only serves to give the fans bragging rights and puts their team in the best position come the play offs

also you cant fluke 5 GF victories in 8 years

Leeds had the better season as their gameplan was better, im not saying that their poor start was deliberate, but how they managed to hit form at the right time (Wembley onwards) was what ultimately won them the GF

If a marathon runner got off to a bad start but comes good at the end and wins, they are said to have had a great race! its the 1st past the post that wins, not the pacemaker

Well you can. You can play four of them against the same team!